The drug "Ice"

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

So true about studies (and statistics).

And not only are your comments about relying on them for a good time so true - it also leads me to the gripe I have, which is overly drunk/stoned/cracked/iced idiots selfishly wrecking a good night for everyone else around them.

They think they're having a good time, but the other 97 people in the front 3 rows of the concert do not appreciate the antics, the spraying of drinks, the abuse of bystanders, the vomit, or having to watch security being attacked, spat on, and bitten, for trying to remove them. Then there's the cost of the ambulance & hospital stay. Yes I'm ****ed about events that recently happened to me because of one selfish person who decided to mix alcohol & drugs. There's no need for it.

myley cyrus?

[blackf6]

What a load of crap. Every shop and servo sells ice. Is banning the ice cream truck next? I will be the first to admit to using ice. I am purely a recreational user. A few cubes in my soft drink is the extent. Sorry for the burden on society.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by DeJaVu GT

What a load of crap. Every shop and servo sells ice. Is banning the ice cream truck next? I will be the first to admit to using ice. I am purely a recreational user. A few cubes in my soft drink is the extent. Sorry for the burden on society.

[blackf6]

You go to hell for almost everything now days.

[BPXR6T]

I live in a small victorian country town. Bikie scum moved here a couple of years ago and bought the ice with them. I'd whole-heartedly support a bullet to the back of the neck. Drop the ****ers down a mine shaft, problem solved. I don't have kids in school. Others I know do, and this scum is exposing their kids to this. Interesting times I expect. A wait and see attitude isn't being taken by some. Police are factoring themselves out of the equation quick by taking a soft approach. I hear life is becoming very hard for these peices of dog **** and I couldn't be happier about it.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by BPXR6T

I live in a small victorian country town. Bikie scum moved here a couple of years ago and bought the ice with them. I'd whole-heartedly support a bullet to the back of the neck. Drop the ****ers down a mine shaft, problem solved. I don't have kids in school. Others I know do, and this scum is exposing their kids to this. Interesting times I expect. A wait and see attitude isn't being taken by some. Police are factoring themselves out of the equation quick by taking a soft approach. I hear life is becoming very hard for these peices of dog **** and I couldn't be happier about it.

Your not near St Arnaud ?

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Your not near St Arnaud ?

Big Damo, I asked the same question. He's not on at the moment, but St Arnaud did make the news a few weeks ago because of this issue......

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by BPXR6T

I live in a small victorian country town. Bikie scum moved here a couple of years ago and bought the ice with them. I'd whole-heartedly support a bullet to the back of the neck. Drop the ****ers down a mine shaft, problem solved. I don't have kids in school. Others I know do, and this scum is exposing their kids to this. Interesting times I expect. A wait and see attitude isn't being taken by some. Police are factoring themselves out of the equation quick by taking a soft approach. I hear life is becoming very hard for these peices of dog **** and I couldn't be happier about it.

Which region if you don't mind me asking? It was in the news papers here as well but I haven't really noticed any drug activity like the paper was saying.

[CoupeKing]

What studies are you talking about? A company 'pushing' their new wonder fruit drink from the most remote parts of the Amazon, or a study conducted in a controlled environment that when tested on rats, a simple food that you can grow in your backyard, called a carrot, 'can' lower the risk of lung diseases by 20%. Or Turmeric, found to contain medicinal properties that can help fight certain cancers. But once the pharmaceutical companies found out you cant patent it, be like trying to patent garlic, it was pushed on the back-burner for ages. I read about 12 months ago they were gradually administering it in 'conjunction' with other medicine.

[Bluehoon]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

What studies are you talking about? A company 'pushing' their new wonder fruit drink from the most remote parts of the Amazon, or a study conducted in a controlled environment that when tested on rats, a simple food that you can grow in your backyard, called a carrot, 'can' lower the risk of lung diseases by 20%. Or Turmeric, found to contain medicinal properties that can help fight certain cancers. But once the pharmaceutical companies found out you cant patent it, be like trying to patent garlic, it was pushed on the back-burner for ages. I read about 12 months ago they were gradually administering it in 'conjunction' with other medicine.

How about the study assessing the impact of granting land rights to gay whales???

[cram_it_frog]

I am sorry but I am speaking for a small amount of people out there who live with chronic pain many just sit down and do not speak out and no one really knows that there neighbor or friend is in pain all day

another problem is learning to live with pain is dangerous as I found out I had a clot in the lung 8 months ago but for me it was only a minor pain even the doctor at the hospital said nothing wrong with me

30 minutes later he was shocked at the xray because my body now thinks 5 or 6 pain out of 10 and more is normal and does not react like it should

it was a nurse who knows me well insisting that I have a xray that I am alive the doctor wanted to send me home

but in fairness to all who are addicted there are all sick in some way even though they choose that path and may be if we looked at it that way we might start to solve the problem

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Bluehoon

How about the study assessing the impact of granting land rights to gay whales???

you leave gay whales out of this

mkay

[Bluehoon]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

you leave gay whales out of this

mkay

Sorry to talk about your mates like that...

[herbicide]

Stoners and other people with addictions trying to justify their chosen vice - hilarious.

[jmack]

bad batch then take share in the funeral inustry

[cram_it_frog]

superyob you will be surprised at the large number of people who are on prescribed narcotics

The thing is I do not look like any thing like I am a drug user and even with illegal drugs I garentee you if you went to any large bank or stock broking firm you would not pick out the drug users

it is only a small percentage you see

with me I park in disabled parking I have a permit because I need to have my door fully open to enter and leave the car I have lost 60 % of my ability to twist or turn ,but I still get the looks nothing wrong with you

I have had people take my number plate and hand it in to local police but what people do not know is a spinal and a nuro surgeon signed my application for a disability form and it is renewed every so often

most get them through local GP

as I said in my post it is major problem of drug adiction both legal and non legal there are huge changes that have help legal drugs each script given has to have a gov authority number and every visit to the GP they ring the gov dept for a new authority and each year you have to renew that authority but getting a letter from a spinal or nuro surgoen and they do not hand out authority's for minor short term pain you have to have a serious and major pain on a daily basis like my self 5 or 6 out of 10 for me is a good day 9 or above is a bad day and I have a lot of them and the only cure for me in reality is death scarry try living with that it changes your way of thinking

[cram_it_frog]

we have just had a major blitz here in Outback Broken Hill a huge number of people were stopped and check for ilegal drug use nearly 20 have had to have blood test and if found to have ilegal drug in there system they will be charged

What I want to know is how many truck drivers driving road trains in the list

now I am not picking on truck drivers but one company that do a Sydney to Adelaide and onto Perth have been found out and charged for making there drivers make a false record of a 2 hour stop in Broken Hill

some were driving road trains from Dubbo to Adelaide non stop in huge road trains how many needed drug of some sort to do that trip

so another angle of drug use we have ilegal use to get high and other to keep working and the prescription drugs

the web grows and grows till it touches your house in some way scarry

[cram_it_frog]

jmack amazing but true doctors bury there mistakes and that include wrong dosage or type of drug does happen

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by herbicide

Stoners and other people with addictions trying to justify their chosen vice - hilarious.

I don't touch the stuff, and I don't drink often and theres at least one person here on AFF who can attest to that who I was at the pub with in Kilmore before AFF Heathcote this year.

I'm just trying to see the other side and open my mind a little, maybe if more people looked at all sides of the coin we could have some solutions to a problem for a change?

Originally Posted by pottery beige

recreational is a funny word, is most often used by those in denial of their slippery ride to hell

I've seen the ride to hell happen to one guy I went to school with, mind you the kid who started it all for him ended up cleaning himself right up and the other guy is up poo creek without a paddle.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I've seen the ride to hell happen to one guy I went to school with, mind you the kid who started it all for him ended up cleaning himself right up and the other guy is up poo creek without a paddle.

they will pop in and out of your life, you cant tell them, they cant be told

just be there when they pop up

you are there when theyve had enough

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

they will pop in and out of your life, you cant tell them, they cant be told

just be there when they pop up

you are there when theyve had enough

Yeah I've been there for the poo creek guy, sad thing is he threw a good local job opportunity down the toilet with his antics.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Yeah I've been there for the poo creek guy, sad thing is he threw a good local job opportunity down the toilet with his antics.

and there will be many more antics on his slippery slope

its not him, its an empty shell, its the addiction

and that really sucks about this bs caper

just be there

[Dash_XR]

People want to get high regardless and will whether it's weed, ice, sniffing paint or whatever. What are we going to do ban every intoxicating substance known to man? Follow the rest of the world and legalize and regulate the safer drugs and watch the harder drug use subside.

Or keep banging the uneducated prohibition drum (cause prohibition has worked so flawlessly in the past) and watch it get worse.

I just feel sorry for the paramedics who have to put up with the drunks and ice addicts trying to attack them all the time.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Dash_XR

People want to get high regardless and will whether it's weed, ice, sniffing paint or whatever. What are we going to do ban every intoxicating substance known to man? Follow the rest of the world and legalize and regulate the safer drugs and watch the harder drug use subside.

Or keep banging the uneducated prohibition drum (cause prohibition has worked so flawlessly in the past) and watch it get worse.

I just feel sorry for the paramedics who have to put up with the drunks and ice addicts trying to attack them all the time.

Mum used to work in Bunnings in Broadmeadows and there was a middle aged lady who used to come in with a ring of paint around her mouth and always buying spray cans, Mum thought she was some sort of clown for little kids

Then said middle aged lady stopped coming into Bunnings all of a sudden.

Middle aged lady died from her escapades.

[Dash_XR]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Mum used to work in Bunnings in Broadmeadows and there was a middle aged lady who used to come in with a ring of paint around her mouth and always buying spray cans, Mum thought she was some sort of clown for little kids

Then said middle aged lady stopped coming into Bunnings all of a sudden.

Middle aged lady died from her escapades.

I had a similar experience with two big Maori's and a skinny white guy while eating lunch at a park, chatting with them while they enjoyed their silver coke bottles.

My point was people will always find something to ruin their life with, education and safer alternatives are the only way to reduce the damage.

[ILLaViTaR]

Too much Jesus and not enough logic in this thread. Where is Richard Dawkins when you need him! Yes studies can be manipulated however they all state facts, you actually have to understand the study yourself to properly interpret it and look past the bias of the article.

Studies don't logically contradict one another, what do you think they actually do? They get groups and find a pattern, in this particular case they have with no basis gone one further to wrongly conclude cause and effect with nothing more than B group having a more psychotic rate than the control group that didn't smoke weed.. so all they actually found was the people who smoked cannabis had a greater rate of these disorders.. that's it, they blatantly jumped the gun going one step further to blame cannabis as the cause and effect of these disorders. The world trigger has been used in multiple studies. Anyway yes of course these stupid people would be naive enough to close the book there "Well if there's a link then that's obviously means cause and effect derp".

When it's recently been shown the genes that control cannabis predisposition are the same common genes as schizophrenia... meaning if you have a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia then you clearly have a predisposition to becoming a stoner. The very clear answer for the long known link between the two explaining why there's an influx of heavy cannabis users with those psychiatric disorders. It's explained the link between the two entirely but yes doesn't knock out the possibility of cannabis being a potential cause... pirates and global warming. There's just no basis currently to suggest cannabis causes psychotic disorders as the only basis was the connection which was actually revealed to be the same genes malfunctioning.

If you actually bothered to read the links you'd see psychotic disorders and cannabis regulation share the same common genes, no pathology of one causing the other, if you understood this you'd realize one indeed does not necessarily cause the other and they are actually associated. Let's not go into the argument of how the people who fall into drug abuse almost always have had compromised immune systems since birth, and how consuming such a drug can wreak havoc on them creating autoimmunity, burning out all their glutathione because they were born with a faulty nrf2 gene. Like anything you consume some people are susceptible, some people are even allergic to it, and others simply can't process/methylate it out of their body as effectively as everyone else and they become run down from it. Funnily enough this inhibitions are usually caused by other chronic illnesses, not genetics. Epigenetics.

Half the weed in the area is weighed down with mercury, sand, not flushed of fertilizers (meaning you consume fertilizer), it's unregulated.

Where is all the hate towards the gluten you eat everyday? It has been linked and associated with practically everything, the zonulin is a direct on switch for gastrointestinal permeability. Funny thing is I think most people here would be more addicted to gluten than a drug and couldn't go off it.

[ILLaViTaR]

Saying weed causes schizophrenia is 100% identical to saying drinking causes alcholism.. when it's clearly to do with the persons biology/genetics and not the substance itself.

Why does Snoop Dawg (mr 80 blunts a day for 30yrs) not see any fourth dimension angels then? The logic of blaming the substance and not the pre-existing issues in the individual is completely flawed! Same substance, different biology, different outcome.

The other thing is schizophrenia is clearly associated with parasites and miswiring/misfiring and imbalance, 1 in 5 cases of schizophrenia are now shown to carry T.gondii (possibly more as current lab tools are crude with the parasite extreme hard to detect... another way studies can make "mistakes"... next year with better more effective tools it may change to 2 in 5 cases, but for now the current tools used discovered a rate of 1 in 5) Marijuana can alter the immune system by slowing it down, and it also has been shown to cease peristalsis.... meaning people already with microbiome issues now can't regulate the microbiome as effectively, as well as creating permeability causing things like T.Gondii to jump in. Most people are out of their league with this stuff. It's far to complex to know for sure, you'd need a map of yourself on a cellular level to know what suits and doesn't suit your biochemistry.

[GasoLane]

So now can we keep off the Grass please and back on the OP's topic ?

[ILLaViTaR]

The topic of ignoring facts? Using your own anecdotals as though they have (greater) merit? And condemning things we have absolutely no idea regarding nor don't want to know of?

Who needs Phd's and 20 years in the industry when it's as simple as weed triggering schizophrenia? These people could've saved themselves a whole career and instead just found everything from ancedotals?

How dumb they must be to not use their eyes and merely see people do weed first and develop schizophrenia later... after a whole career in this field. Why does it take these yahoos 20yrs in the field and medical school to not see what everyone here has discovered looking at their mates? Absolute white collar fools.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

The topic of ignoring facts? Using your own anecdotals as though they have (greater) merit? And condemning things we have absolutely no idea regarding nor don't want to know of?

Fine it's not like anyone will listen!

The topic is Crystal Meth. Not Marijuana.

You started on the first page talking about Marijuana.

If you know something first hand, not what you've read, about ICE, then lets hear it.

If not don't bother posting