Russian warships bearing down on Australia

[MITCHAY]

It's nothing but a support fleet that happens to be conveniently located to the city where a major summit is being held of which their president is attending. I'm sure if it was a show of force, they'd be many more boats.

If and when they intentionally enter our waters without approval or invitation, that might be a story worthy of a headline. Until then who cares what they do in international waters.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

It's nothing but a support fleet that happens to be conveniently located to the city where a major summit is being held of which their president is attending. I'm sure if it was a show of force, they'd be many more boats.

If and when they intentionally enter our waters without approval or invitation, that might be a story worthy of a headline. Until then who cares what they do in international waters.

bingo

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

A male life expectancy of just 65.

Not a bad average. I remember reading something about one of the cities over there where the male life expectancy was 42. Female 46

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Not a bad average. I remember reading something about one of the cities over there where the male life expectancy was 42. Female 46

crocodile??

[XD 351 Ute]

The tug boat might just be for a spot of marlin fishing...

Ed

[cheap]

Fear not we've got the worlds most advanced, capable and lethal submarines ready to defend (they're Aussie built too).

Ahoy Collins, calling any Collins subs....(insert the sound of chirping crickets)

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by cheap

Fear not we've got the worlds most advanced, capable and lethal submarines ready to defend (they're Aussie built too).

Ahoy Collins, calling any Collins subs....(insert the sound of chirping crickets)

of course you wont hear them

theyre subs you boofhead

[stazza]

I find it hilarous that they have this big article about russian ships "bearing down", but then on the same news website they have an article stating Abbott says it's perfectly normal and legal

Seriously **** the mainstream media. Ya'll need to wake up.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

of course you wont hear them

theyre subs you boofhead

You seem to miss the point.

The nearest ready Collins sub is in Perth, unable to offer support for days. Which leaves the question as to where the other subs are. Probably a few subs in dry dock maintenance, maybe one on patrol somewhere off the coast of China, North Koera taking its ultra important photos.

Bottom line when when a Collins submarine could be useful, none seem to be unavailable. Of course there is the option that there is a Collins submarine already secretly on point, but given the Collins track record of not being ready most of the time, then this is scenario is unlikely.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by cheap

You seem to miss the point.

The nearest ready Collins sub is in Perth, unable to offer support for days. Which leaves the question as to where the other subs are. Probably a few subs in dry dock maintenance, maybe one on patrol somewhere off the coast of China, North Koera taking its ultra important photos.

Bottom line when when a Collins submarine could be useful, none seem to be unavailable. Of course there is the option that there is a Collins submarine already secretly on point, but given the Collins track record of not being ready most of the time, then this is scenario is unlikely.

no you totally miss the point

sif the dribble you read and lap up media wise is actual factual regarding operations

you love it

[cheap]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

no you totally miss the point

sif the dribble you read and lap up media wise is actual factual regarding operations

you love it

So where are the Collin's subs?

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by cheap

So where are the Collin's subs?

you will never know

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by cheap

So where are the Collin's subs?

Do you really expect that sort of information to be public knowledge?

[bungarra]

Originally Posted by cheap

So where are the Collin's subs?

Cheap, 2 are currently deployed on East Coast Operations working on Pacific Fleet training and coudl possibly, I can't say our boats are sitting under the Russians but considering we were in Indonesia on excercises last week (as were the Russians), possibly they are shadowing.

The reason the Dolphin wearers are caled the Silent Service, not seen, not heard.

[Road_Warrior]

In saying that, USS Hawaii is currently docked at HMAS Stirling. Or at least it was yesterday.

[TRAU BLAU]

The most powerful person is irrelevant.P.M.T.Abbot is right in questioning Pres.V.Putin about the MH17 disaster.The Russians DENY every accusation & say show us proof.They remind me of murder cases & expensive lawyers devoid of morals & truth.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by TRAU BLAU

The most powerful person is irrelevant.P.M.T.Abbot is right in questioning Pres.V.Putin about the MH17 disaster.The Russians DENY every accusation & say show us proof.They remind me of murder cases & expensive lawyers devoid of morals & truth.

It happened in Ukraine, which is having a civil war of sorts and MH17 was flying through a war zone @ 33,000 feet, which contains gear which can take out a plane up to 80,000 feet.

Why where they flying their plane right across a war zone with that sort of weaponry on the ground?

We're blaming and hating on Russia but theres no questions asked to the management of the airliner who decided to fly through there, and they also lost MH370 earlier.

Two strikes for said airliner, and no questions.

Regardless of Russia backing separatists (if the rumours are true), it wasn't Vladimir Putin who ordered it to be shot down so why is this his fault?

What was Tony Abbott's words, something along the lines of poo happens? This isn't the first time a passenger plane has been taken out accidentally and it probably won't be the last. So why are we accusing someone of something we have no proof of? Innocent until proven guilty?

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

It happened in Ukraine, which is having a civil war of sorts and MH17 was flying through a war zone @ 33,000 feet, which contains gear which can take out a plane up to 80,000 feet.

Why where they flying their plane right across a war zone with that sort of weaponry on the ground?

We're blaming and hating on Russia but theres no questions asked to the management of the airliner who decided to fly through there, and they also lost MH370 earlier.

Two strikes for said airliner, and no questions.

Regardless of Russia backing separatists (if the rumours are true), it wasn't Vladimir Putin who ordered it to be shot down so why is this his fault?

What was Tony Abbott's words, something along the lines of poo happens? This isn't the first time a passenger plane has been taken out accidentally and it probably won't be the last. So why are we accusing someone of something we have no proof of? Innocent until proven guilty?

Would you think the same if you had parents/grandparents/siblings or children on that flight ?

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

It happened in Ukraine, which is having a civil war of sorts and MH17 was flying through a war zone @ 33,000 feet, which contains gear which can take out a plane up to 80,000 feet.

Why where they flying their plane right across a war zone with that sort of weaponry on the ground?

We're blaming and hating on Russia but theres no questions asked to the management of the airliner who decided to fly through there, and they also lost MH370 earlier.

Two strikes for said airliner, and no questions.

What was Tony Abbott's words, something along the lines of poo happens?

At the time, the air route was open. A number of other airlines had used the same air corridor that day.

The Russians also have form in telling porkies. They told porkies during the Kursk submarine disaster, alleged that it collided with a US sub that was spying illegally, but then had to come clean about the true cause.

They also told porkies when they shot down that Korean Airlines 747 over the Sea of Japan back in 1983 I think it was - tried to say it was a spy plane (sound familiar), then tried to say that it strayed into their airspace illegally, and then tried to hinder the search and recovery efforts as much as they could, purely to cover their asses - much like they did with MH17.

When the USS Vincennes shot down the Iranian Airways airliner in 1986 the US government admitted it had done the dirty deed and of course all hell broke loose when they tried to defend their actions initially.

I think the thing that gives people the ***** about Russia's involvement in this is their response to the incident - they've basically given everyone the middle finger and said its a war zone, deal with it, and immediately started the tried and tested **** covering.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Would you think the same if you had parents/grandparents/siblings or children on that flight ?

More Australians die from suicide every year and no one bats a freakin' eye lid to it, we're averaging 2415 Australians who have taken their own lives every year over the last 5 year period, 30 odd people die in a freak accident and now we're pointing fingers and demanding answers from someone we have no proof that did it and then we don't question the people running the airliner on how they lose two planes in a matter of months, both without much gap in between and both under suspicious circumstances.

If relatives were on the flight I'd be upset and want answers obviously but I wouldn't be pointing fingers at people without proof.

http://rt.com/news/205339-mh17-air-plane-malaysian/

Interesting development, how do we know it wasn't Ukrainians who shot it down?

The way I'm taking this is a political point scoring game, things aren't going so well for our dear leader over here so as horrible as it sounds, this happened at an opportune time to take the heat off him and make him look fantastic with all his carrying on and finger pointing/tough guy acting to distract from his political measures back home and the flack he was copping over it.

[Road_Warrior]

Incidentally that media outlet you're referencing (Russia Today) is wholly funded by the Russian Government.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Incidentally that media outlet you're referencing (Russia Today) is wholly funded by the Russian Government.

I guess I should treat it like Rupert Murdoch's toilet paper then?

[Road_Warrior]

Not unless Murdoch's papers are actually owned by the State

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Yes and those ships happen to be painted naval grey and are flying the RAN ensign...

Yes...but that info gets in the way off were getting invaded.

[cram_it_frog]

may be the Russians are waiting for the new ford to come out any thing is better than what they drive

[XBROO]

There's a bad gastro virus getting around the G20 police force. They must be really concerned about the Russian warships. Because they are obviously Putin themselves.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

More Australians die from suicide every year and no one bats a freakin' eye lid to it, we're averaging 2415 Australians who have taken their own lives every year over the last 5 year period, 30 odd people die in a freak accident and now we're pointing fingers and demanding answers from someone we have no proof that did it and then we don't question the people running the airliner on how they lose two planes in a matter of months, both without much gap in between and both under suspicious circumstances.

If relatives were on the flight I'd be upset and want answers obviously but I wouldn't be pointing fingers at people without proof.

http://rt.com/news/205339-mh17-air-plane-malaysian/

Interesting development, how do we know it wasn't Ukrainians who shot it down?

The way I'm taking this is a political point scoring game, things aren't going so well for our dear leader over here so as horrible as it sounds, this happened at an opportune time to take the heat off him and make him look fantastic with all his carrying on and finger pointing/tough guy acting to distract from his political measures back home and the flack he was copping over it.

I will pull you up on that one!

Please do not say no one lifts an eyelids to this? Do not like when something 'worse' is dragged out just to discredit another tragedy. Both as bad as each other and suicide is not brushed under the carpet. Both can be discussed and both are in different ways. Doesn't mean no one cares? It is just not reported which is a decision made and rightly so. Don't know why this came into the discussion or why a comparison should be made.

The liner cannot be blamed. So very basically:

1: It was an open air route which had planes passing at 80,000 feet every few hours

2: The Ukrainians do not have the weapons to take out a plane at 80,000 feet

3: Neither do the rebels.

4: Russia does

So who fired?

The questions does need to be asked for the 38 Australians (and others) who got shot from the air and a finger does need to be pointed .... obviously? If I was a parent I would point fingers. Also ..... you would think that the countries combined intelligence would know more about what happened than you, me or anyone else?

As far as Abbott goes, if he didn't say anything, he would be bashed by the minions .... if he does say something he is still bashed by them. Doesnt matter what he says, he will always be wrong.

[78xcgxl]

Meh, don't worry if it's one thing Abbots is good at, it's stopping the boats! haha

[fordomatic]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

I will pull you up on that one!

Please do not say no one lifts an eyelids to this? Do not like when something 'worse' is dragged out just to discredit another tragedy. Both as bad as each other and suicide is not brushed under the carpet. Both can be discussed and both are in different ways. Doesn't mean no one cares? It is just not reported which is a decision made and rightly so. Don't know why this came into the discussion or why a comparison should be made.

The liner cannot be blamed. So very basically:

1: It was an open air route which had planes passing at 80,000 feet every few hours

2: The Ukrainians do not have the weapons to take out a plane at 80,000 feet

3: Neither do the rebels.

4: Russia does

So who fired?

The questions does need to be asked for the 38 Australians (and others) who got shot from the air and a finger does need to be pointed .... obviously? If I was a parent I would point fingers. Also ..... you would think that the countries combined intelligence would know more about what happened than you, me or anyone else?

As far as Abbott goes, if he didn't say anything, he would be bashed by the minions .... if he does say something he is still bashed by them. Doesnt matter what he says, he will always be wrong.

Well said mate.

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I guess I should treat it like Rupert Murdoch's toilet paper then?

Al Jazeera reported it from day one that it was Russia, as did BBC world. These are two news agencies i trust with almost everything they report on. They report on fact, there break down is 80% fact, 15% persuasive and 5% other. Aussie media is 70 persuasive, 20% fact and 10% other.

Don't be disillusioned, MH17 was shot down and Ukraine didn't have the capacity to do it, that leaves one country.

An acquaintance who reports for Al Jazeera reported that up to 300 russian Spetsnaz soldiers were in Donetsk, i believe her, she was there. Australian media didn't pick it up but. Just yesterday the UN boss said over 10,000 russian troops had stepped over the border, with images to prove it, the Kremlin is still denying they are there? Even if it wasn't russian troops that shot it down, it was very well trained rebels. It's a 4 week course to shoot the missile in question, your average rebel wouldn't be able to just pick it up and fire it, who do you think ran the competency course?

[MITCHAY]

It could be good for both countries if they docked up here.

The Australian public get a good look at some ships (because who doesn't want to see), the sailors have a good time on shore leave and see what we have to offer, and it potentially turns a troubled relationship into something more positive. Win win win!