Oh dear!

[JasonACT]

I might have bought them a cheap 2nd-hand Barina in 30+ years.

But when the cop walked out of bushes on the right hand side and pulls over the guy who just overtook me, I seriously panicked, who's this guy trying to get run over? was my first thought. Stupid. Just stupid.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

Not bagging you here but I reckon it should be zero for everyone, heavy vehicle drivers have to be,

Not in N.S.W.
We're allowed 0.02 by Law. however Most (if not All) big fleets have Zero B.A.C. Policy..

W.A. have a weird multi level system. But Basically 0.05

https://austroads.com.au/publication...gal-bac-limits

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Not in N.S.W.
We're allowed 0.02 by Law. however Most (if not All) big fleets have Zero B.A.C. Policy..

W.A. have a weird multi level system. But Basically 0.05

https://austroads.com.au/publication...gal-bac-limits

just like to point out that that link was from
Summary of State and territory laws on BAC and driving (as at September 2015)
as stated in the link and a lot has changed and is now 0.00 as a lot has change in the 4 years since
and a lot of companies (like ours) have zero tolerance and also have inter company fines
eg if we go to client XXX (or even one of our subies goes there) and blow over in our contract with said company it will cost us $XXX for each breach (and it does happen)

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by wodahs

just like to point out that that link was from
Summary of State and territory laws on BAC and driving (as at September 2015)
as stated in the link and a lot has changed and is now 0.00 as a lot has change in the 4 years since
and a lot of companies (like ours) have zero tolerance and also have inter company fines
eg if we go to client XXX (or even one of our subies goes there) and blow over in our contract with said company it will cost us $XXX for each breach (and it does happen)

You're talking about Company policy, & I was talking about the Law..

But i get your Point..

[CoupeKing]

Spray those shrubs with european wasp pheromones.

[cheap]

High Vis is required to be worn by Qld Cops when working in or adjacent to traffic as per Section 12.6 of the following

https://www.police.qld.gov.au/corpor.../Chapter12.pdf

As for PPE being “law” ie in a statute, countless occupations have individual OHS policies covering the use of PPE and you can be fined for being in non compliance - so there must be law somewhere.

Is he working in or adjacent to traffic?

Is he wearing high vis?

Is he in compliance with section 12.6?

Does he have a reasonable, lawful or policy exception reason for being in non compliance?

[Trevor 57]

As I said there is reference to PPE in the OHS/WHS Regulations, mostly in regard to noise, asbestos and lead, there is NO reference to hi-vis vest/shorts/pants/jackets in OHS/WHS law

Absolutely it can be written into businesses procedures, and I said previsouly there is a kind of link to S25 (1) of Vict OHS Act (would be the same in other States, just not sure of the number), but it would be a real stretch to get a conviction

And if you think WorkSafe (or their interstate counterparts) are going to prosecute a Police Office on some off chance a Magistrate will construe S25(1) to convict a Police Office for not wearing a safety vest then you have rocks in your head


BTW that link does not take you to a 'law' page just some internal documentation of the police force "Management Support Manual Issue 22 Public Edition 12 April 2019 "

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by cheap

As for PPE being “law” ie in a statute, countless occupations have individual OHS policies covering the use of PPE and you can be fined for being in non compliance - so there must be law somewhere

PLEASE give me an example, a link, anything?

Look, because I am a good bloke I will even give you a link, it is Victorian but all OHS law is the same (with slight State variances), so go your hardest

https://www.worksafe.vic.gov.au/pros...e-undertakings

[Junkyard-Dog]

If you love the copper so much, why don't you just marry him trev? Its legal now.

[Trevor 57]

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and it appears a wit you are - why the personal attack - you must be a millennial are you?

Police are only enforcing the rules, they are acting within the laws the Government set and passed, so if you want to crack the ****s crack them with the Government, I am guessing you follow your bosses rules at work? You do work don't you?

[ronwest]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

Police are only enforcing the rules, they are acting within the laws the Government set and passed,

So presumably our guy will be seeking redress following the reprimand.

While we're here is there any comment, links, proof, to go with your assertion that trucks stop quicker than cars.

Genuinely interested. I don't profess to be an expert on anything so always willing to learn.

[Junkyard-Dog]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and it appears a wit you are - why the personal attack - you must be a millennial are you?

Police are only enforcing the rules, they are acting within the laws the Government set and passed, so if you want to crack the ****s crack them with the Government, I am guessing you follow your bosses rules at work? You do work don't you?

I like that you state that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, then you proceed to use it in your post

btw, I wasn't being sarcastic. You can legally marry the bloke if you love him so much.

[Trevor 57]

OK you weren't being sarcastic, you were being a typical millennial smart ****

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by ronwest

So presumably our guy will be seeking redress following the reprimand.

While we're here is there any comment, links, proof, to go with your assertion that trucks stop quicker than cars.

Genuinely interested. I don't profess to be an expert on anything so always willing to learn.

I worked for Australia's largest driver training company back before 2000 for 13 years, we conducted the test on a quite regional road with all the vehicles mentioned (owned by the training company), using the same driver in each, a highly experienced professional truck driver / trainer. That's the best I can do - BTW all heavy vehicles were loaded to the then capacity

[JasonACT]

Well, I for one will still give trucks a lot of extra space if/when I pull in front of them and there's a chance I'll need to stop for lights etc. It would be nice to know why they've been lying to us all these years though.

[Blue Roo]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

OK you weren't being sarcastic, you were being a typical millennial smart ****

Hey Big Trev! Lighten Up Mate!

[Junkyard-Dog]

I'm too old to be a millennial but I probably am the other thing.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by hayseed

You're talking about Company policy, & I was talking about the Law..

But i get your Point..

no i was stating about law and company
as i said just below pointing out the date of the article that a lot has changed and is now 0.00

Originally Posted by wodahs

just like to point out that that link was from
Summary of State and territory laws on BAC and driving (as at September 2015)
as stated in the link and a lot has changed and is now 0.00 as a lot has change in the 4 years since
and a lot of companies (like ours) have zero tolerance and also have inter company fines
eg if we go to client XXX (or even one of our subies goes there) and blow over in our contract with said company it will cost us $XXX for each breach (and it does happen)

https://www.police.wa.gov.au/Traffic...ving-penalties

A zero BAC applies to the following groups of drivers:

Novice Drivers
Holders of Extraordinary licences
Recently Disqualified Drivers
Drivers of:
vehicles exceeding 22.5 tonne GCM <<<<<<< trucks
vehicles carrying dangerous goods (when such goods are being carried)
buses (while carrying passengers where the vehicle is equipped to carry more than 12 adults including the driver)
small charter vehicles (when carrying passengers for hire or reward)
taxis (when carrying passengers for hire or reward)

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

I worked for Australia's largest driver training company back before 2000 for 13 years, we conducted the test on a quite regional road with all the vehicles mentioned (owned by the training company), using the same driver in each, a highly experienced professional truck driver / trainer. That's the best I can do - BTW all heavy vehicles were loaded to the then capacity

That was a long time ago and a lot of things can change, obtw I would not trust a truck when not carrying loads or running bobtail for braking.
You say truck drivers have better reaction well I beg to differ on that comment.


Now back on topic I think the copper in the OP is an a s s for what he was doing.


Cheers.

[ed taxi]

on the very same rd Anzac Ave further up at Mango hill they have changed the speed limit from 80 to 70 why ??

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

I

and for the record my last fine was December 28 1999 in Wodonga, and I travel a lot, I have been to many places all over Australia, both privately and with work

There's perception by some that anyone who isn't happy with how the police force police certain road rules are serial offends who are just bitter about their fines.
Well I have never had a speeding fine in my life and still think the tactics used by certain police has nothing to do with road safety and everything to do with revenue. I also travel a lot for work. Probably do 50,000kms a year.


You also hear the stories of people who are certain they were not speeding but still got a fine. Sure they would be the minority of speeding fines, but the whole don't speed and you won't get caught isn't 100% true either.
There are members on this forum who have told their stories of receiving fines while doing nothing wrong.

I still think here in NSW we have it reasonably good when it comes to traffic enforcement. At least here they try to pretend they care about safe driving rather than writing fines. Signposted warnings of all speed cameras is a good example.

[Citroënbender]

I mostly agree with you, having never received a speeding fine either. My gripes revolve around enforcement behaviour that unnecessarily fosters an “us vs them” mindset, and cherry-picking offences.

Years ago I remember a Vic country cop saying online that he thought there should be a general offence administered discretionarily of “being a d***”. While this could go both ways you could sense his frustration at having to ignore dangerous or highly irresponsible actions because the onus of gathering sufficient proof made it impractical for the time and resources he had...

[ronwest]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

I worked for Australia's largest driver training company back before 2000 for 13 years, we conducted the test on a quite regional road with all the vehicles mentioned (owned by the training company), using the same driver in each, a highly experienced professional truck driver / trainer. That's the best I can do - BTW all heavy vehicles were loaded to the then capacity

I have no reason to doubt what you're saying but in the real world there's no way that a fully laden semi would outbrake a car of the same era (all things being equal).

[ronwest]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I still think here in NSW we have it reasonably good when it comes to traffic enforcement. At least here they try to pretend they care about safe driving rather than writing fines. Signposted warnings of all speed cameras is a good example.

I think that's pretty right.

My last really close encounter in NSW a couple of years ago was near Marulan when I was pushing to get through Sydney before afternoon peak hour.

It's 110kph and I was doing probably +20 when I sailed past a HWP on the side of the road.

He had me if he wanted me but he merely indicated for me to slow down and that was that.

[ronwest]

Originally Posted by ed taxi

on the very same rd Anzac Ave further up at Mango hill they have changed the speed limit from 80 to 70 why ??

Probably volume of traffic?

The constant 60 - 70 - 80 - 70 - 80 - 70 that we get on relatively short stretches of road is annoying but I guess it's also a photo opportunity.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

That was a long time ago and a lot of things can change, obtw I would not trust a truck when not carrying loads or running bobtail for braking.

yep HV brakes have got better, much better, disc for an example

Originally Posted by Officemanager

You say truck drivers have better reaction well I beg to differ on that comment.

well I beg to differ on your assertion, truck drivers are on the road 8, 10 12 hours a day plying their trade, you are trying to tell me that the occasional driver has better skills - hmmm???? Don't judge the masses by the actions of a few

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Ben73

There's perception by some that anyone who isn't happy with how the police force police certain road rules are serial offends who are just bitter about their fines.
Well I have never had a speeding fine in my life and still think the tactics used by certain police has nothing to do with road safety and everything to do with revenue. I also travel a lot for work. Probably do 50,000kms a year.


You also hear the stories of people who are certain they were not speeding but still got a fine. Sure they would be the minority of speeding fines, but the whole don't speed and you won't get caught isn't 100% true either.
There are members on this forum who have told their stories of receiving fines while doing nothing wrong.

I still think here in NSW we have it reasonably good when it comes to traffic enforcement. At least here they try to pretend they care about safe driving rather than writing fines. Signposted warnings of all speed cameras is a good example.

I have seen official stats presented by a policeman that without doubt supports their action. The graphs showed with the introduction of various police road focus's that deaths and serious injuries have dropped.

People need to remember where we have come from. The road toll in 1970 for Victoria only was 1071, last year in Victoria it was around 212, yes there has been improvements in roads, and massive improvements in vehicle safety, but the enforcement has also contributed, considering the amount of cars on the roads now versus 1970

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

yep HV brakes have got better, much better, disc for an example


well I beg to differ on your assertion, truck drivers are on the road 8, 10 12 hours a day plying their trade, you are trying to tell me that the occasional driver has better skills - hmmm???? Don't judge the masses by the actions of a few

Trevor I'm being realistic and you should bloody well know a lot of trucks are not up to cratch for the roads and as for drivers all I can say that would be 50/50.
Why I say this is because I work in the transport side of industry.
If I was to show these comments to a lot of friends who are drivers they would laugh at you.
Enough said of your so called expertise as it does not cut with me as I disagree on your comments.
you should give credit to fellow motorists who are capable in their driving skills and there is plenty of them out driving on the roads.


Cheers.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

yes it is, I rarely get overtaken by people 'really' speeding these days, particularly on the Hume Freeway, the only people who slip past are NSW registered cars who think they can get away with 10% over in Victoria

I find its usually the ACT registered cars doing more than that.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

you should give credit to fellow motorists who are capable in their driving skills and there is plenty of them out driving on the roads.


Cheers.

the comment "don't judge the majority due to the actions of a few" applies to car drivers, motorbike rider, even pushbike riders