Anyone tried Vapourate fuel saver? - Page 3

jabba · 21-09-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoxr8

Yes, I agree with you 100%. At the end of it all, if it does show an improvement, which it may not, my finding will be simply it worked for me. That does not mean it will work for everyone and every car, just for me. Maybe a success for me will mean that someone else is willing to give it a go, who knows?
I can already say that if the majority of your driving is done on a cold engine around the corner and back, save your money. It relies on some heat in the injector and if that is not there, no improvement will be found. I see those that do long runs or a lot of stop start traffic with a lot of time with a hot engine getting the best result. My car is probably in between those two extremes somewhere. I am going to be very interested in what the result on the open road will be. My car normally sits on 12L/100km with cruise on at 110-120km/h, I think at the moment it may get into the 10's, sunday will tell!

Hey Lynton.
My car on the highway sitting on 110-120 use to get 11.5l/100. Then 2 week ago I had a set of Genie tri-y's fitted with a cross pipe and now it's getting 9.5l/100... And for your info the headers I have are the headers that John Bowe is promoting with his signature upgrades.

geckoGT · 21-09-2005, 10:05 PM

I don't get quite as good because mine is an auto. Good result from the headers, what else did you get done?

MYV8 · 22-09-2005, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jabba

Hey Lynton.
My car on the highway sitting on 110-120 use to get 11.5l/100. Then 2 week ago I had a set of Genie tri-y's fitted with a cross pipe and now it's getting 9.5l/100... And for your info the headers I have are the headers that John Bowe is promoting with his signature upgrades.

A 17 percent saving in fuel with a set of headers is amazing!!!!!!
They will pay for themselves in no time, with the price of petrol the way it is.
With the extra saving of the vapourate device you will be down to the 1.8 - 2 litre lightweight japper figures on the highway.
Do you feel the difference in perforfance with the headers?????

geckoGT · 22-09-2005, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MYV8

A 17 percent saving in fuel with a set of headers is amazing!!!!!!
They will pay for themselves in no time, with the price of petrol the way it is.
With the extra saving of the vapourate device you will be down to the 1.8 - 2 litre lightweight japper figures on the highway.
Do you feel the difference in perforfance with the headers?????

Unfortunately I believe it will get to a point on diminishing returns, just wonder where that is?

Good question about power though, what was the improvement, any dyno figures?

Paris Hilton · 22-09-2005, 11:38 AM

I got a letter from shell servo (where i went to get my car roadworthied) offering me to fit this product to my car, $260 to fit it...i threw the letter away....

jabba · 22-09-2005, 06:20 PM

I will have it on the dyno soon, but the bumometer says it is a very good improvement.
I was shown a dyno sheet with the genie Tri-y's verse Pacemakers 4 into 1's. The results was 21rwkw mid-range and 14rwkw top-end. The Paccies showed a 4rwkw mid-range and 5rwkw top-end.

I have seemed to have lossed my good fuel economy as of late. This is due to the lovely sound that is resonating from the exhaust when I plant my foot on the throttle. I just can't help myself.

I should note that the Dyno sheet that was showen to me was from Powertorque engines and they highly recomended them over the paccies.

geckoGT · 22-09-2005, 09:48 PM

I find that interesting as JB said they do not add a lot in terms of power figures, just better torque and note. Can't wait to see your dyno figure. It is the mid range that I am most interested in, that is where the boss needs a bit of help.

geckoGT · 25-09-2005, 07:20 AM

Here it is for week two. A week of fairly average driving but as I said in one of my previous posts there was a bit more WOT and a day of having a bit of fun (giving shift kit a work out).

Fuel consumed= 47.57L
Dist travelled= 360km
Avg speed= 47km/h
Indicated consumption= 14.1L/100km
Indicated Range= 89km
Theoretic distance per tank according to trip computer= 449km
Actual calculated consumption= 13.21
Actual calculated range= 514.76km (yet again the trip computer is way out, wonder if that is the unichip?)
Previous week actual consumption= 12.99L/100km
Average actual consumption= 13.1L/100km
Previous week indicated consumption= 13.7L/100km
Average indicated consumption= 13.9L/100km

Before the fitting this car averaged 15+L/100km on a sedate driving week, this week differs due to a bit more WOT. As you can see there is still an improvement over before fitting.

Today is the XR club cruise which will be a nice mix of highway at cruising speed and a bit of playing through the mountains. I will fill up at the end of the day and let you all know how it goes.

geckoGT · 25-09-2005, 09:34 PM

Cruise day, what a day it was too. Here are the figures.
First section was the cruise to the meeting place (highway) and the cruise down the M1 until we turned off and the fun began.

Indicated consumption= 10.7L/100km (usually around 11.5-12.5)
Distance= 104.2
Average speed= 78km/h (low due to long idle time and steady cruise of 100km/h after meeting)

End of the day

Fuel consumed=46L
Indicated consumption= 14.6L/100km
Distance= 313km
Average speed= 56km/h
Indicated range remaining= 92km
Calculated consumption= 14.7L/100km (first time it has been close)
Calculated range to tank= 462km

Today was a mix of some highway (approx 150km), some open road over reasonably flat terrain (40km approx) and a blast through some very hilly terriain (the remainder). I certainly did not take it easy in some sections and gave the sequential shift a hell of a workout. I also had the air con on the whole day. I believe a safe estimate of this kind of day would have previously been around 16-17L/100km. Still an improvement. Power was good through the whole day so I am happy.

I have filled the tank again today and will post the results at the end of this tank. This will be the last tank of my published trial as I have other things to do and I believe I have given a pretty good real world assessment. Of course if the balloon bursts and it all goes crap I will post the story. See you all on the next episode.

FPV329 · 26-09-2005, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Gayner

Falcon fuel guages are notoriously innacurate, and always have been going way back to the early birds and continuing through to the BA.

I used to work at a mob who make the guages for Ford/Holden, the quality controllers would not QC, they would drink coffee all day in the office.

It was not completely their fault, if they ever did their job the production manager would scream his lungs out at them in front of everyone.

So they learnt to do nothing.

The day before their QC boss would come up from Melbourne they would fill out all tthe QC sheets with test figures made up out of their heads so it looked like they had been doing their jobs!

You wonder why the guages are inaccurate?

geckoGT · 26-09-2005, 05:46 PM

That explains a lot, they are generally way out.

EA2BA · 27-09-2005, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by geckoxr8

I have filled the tank again today and will post the results at the end of this tank. This will be the last tank of my published trial as I have other things to do and I believe I have given a pretty good real world assessment. Of course if the balloon bursts and it all goes crap I will post the story. See you all on the next episode.

geckoxr8 thanks heaps for all the feedback and real world testing so far, look forward to the final installment, seems there is hope for reducing the high consumption of the current Ford V8, good stuff. :1syellow1

BIGDOG · 27-09-2005, 12:55 PM

Yes it looks good so far.
Keep us informed

BIGDOG

BIGDOG · 28-09-2005, 11:23 AM

I am fitting Vaporate to a AU 3 XR8 tomorrow and will keep you all informed

BIGDOG

The MaDDeSTMaN · 28-09-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV329

I used to work at a mob who make the guages for Ford/Holden, the quality controllers would not QC, they would drink coffee all day in the office.

It was not completely their fault, if they ever did their job the production manager would scream his lungs out at them in front of everyone.

So they learnt to do nothing.

The day before their QC boss would come up from Melbourne they would fill out all tthe QC sheets with test figures made up out of their heads so it looked like they had been doing their jobs!

You wonder why the guages are inaccurate?

Interesting. Did the same people make the digital clusters (XF Fairmont Ghia, ZL Fairlane) - because the digital gauges so far are much more accurate then anything I've seen on any other Ford. Or was I just lucky in getting a good digital cluster?

geckoxr8, thanks for the results, very interesting to see the difference it made for you. Be interesting to see how much of a difference it would make on a SOHC or DOHC Ford 6...

geckoGT · 28-09-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The MaDDeSTMaN

geckoxr8, thanks for the results, very interesting to see the difference it made for you. Be interesting to see how much of a difference it would make on a SOHC or DOHC Ford 6...

Too true, need to get some of our I6 brothers to give it a bash.

Lukeyson · 28-09-2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGDOG

I am fitting Vaporate to a AU 3 XR8 tomorrow and will keep you all informed

BIGDOG

I am keen to see the results on that, i have been seriously considering giving them a go on our AU's

BIGDOG · 30-09-2005, 12:19 PM

Fitted vaporate to AU3 XR8 yesterday and am waiting for results.
Owner claims 12.5 L/100k so we will see what the difference is after fitting

BIGDOG

geckoGT · 30-09-2005, 08:21 PM

Ok this is the last fill that I will be posting, I think I have given it a pretty good run and I am pretty happy with the results. Now I am going to drive the car how I wish without trying to keep every week the same as the last.

This week was again very similar to previous weeks with a mix of stop start traffic and some short highway runs.

Dist travelled= 326.4km
Average speed= 47km/h
Indicated conumption rate= 13.9L/100km
Indicated Range= 119km
Fuel used= 43.57L
Fuel remaining= 24.43L
Actual consumption rate= 13.35L/100km
Actual Range remaining= 182.98km

Average indicated consumption over normal daily driving fills.
week 1= 13.7L/100km
week 2= 14.1L/100km
week 3= 13.9L/100km
Average= 13.9L/100km

I have left the results of the fill after the cruise as this was not indicative of my normal driving week and therefore I wanted to keep the calculation true to normal daily use.

So this leaves me with an average indicated consumption for my driving habits and conditions of 13.9L/100km. Previously my car on a similar week would return an indicated consumption of 15-15.5L/100km. This shows a saving of 1-1.5L/100km per tank fill.
I have owned my car for 2 years and have covered 70,000km, 35,000km a year. Working on a new consumption rate of 1L/100km lower, that saves me 350L per year. Based on todays price of 1.19c/L, this gives a saving of $416. If I look at the saving at the upper end of 1.5L/100km, the saving 475L and a dollar saving of $565 a year. The set up cost me $208 (fitted myself). Therefore even if it was fitted by a mechanic, the item would pay for itself within the first year. I am pretty happy with the result.
I have not noticed any drop in performance of the car or any running difficulties, idle quality and ease of starting is the same as normal.

I must remind you that this is only an example of my experience of the product. End result is I am happy and it is worth it, it will stay on the car. I did achieve the lower end of the advertised saving of 10% fuel saving so I would have to suggest they speak the truth.

Now we just need some results from our I6 brothers.

baghia · 01-10-2005, 12:06 AM

I fitted a set of these to my BA Ghia L6 about a month ago. With the 6 you get a new intake gasket you have to fit. If it wasn't for that it would only take about an hour to do. Fitting the gasket is a PITA though, mainly due to the last bolt at the very rear of the head is hard to get to. The new gasket has larger cutouts for the injectors. My wife drives the car mostly, so I haven't had the time to do any thorough fuel consumption tests yet but our average on a trip to Darwin was usually 12.4 l/100km @ 130km/h, last week was 11.5 l/100 @ 130km/h. I will be able to give a more accurate measurement in the coming weeks.

geckoGT · 01-10-2005, 05:04 AM

1L/100km improvement with an average speed that is 30km higher is pretty good. I thought the I6 did better on fuel than 12.4 anyway, that is the consumption rate of my 8 on long trips (before vaporate).

baghia · 02-10-2005, 07:46 AM

The best we have achieved on a long trip was 10.3 l/100 but that was in the cold southern states, using Ultimate. Up here, all cars seem to use more fuel, whether it's the extra heat or humidity, crappy fuel quality, or tha fact the aircon is on almost always, I don't know. I have never been impressed with the Ghia's economy but it's pretty heavy and always has 5 people aboard. For example, we fuelled up here once, drove 220km @ 110km/h, when we stopped for a toilet break we left the car idling to keep it cool inside for about 15 minutes. Economy went from an indicated 10.4 l/100 to 11.1 l/100. It never dropped below that for the rest of the trip and we ended up with an 11.6 l/100 average over 700km.

geckoGT · 05-10-2005, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by baghia

The best we have achieved on a long trip was 10.3 l/100 but that was in the cold southern states, using Ultimate. Up here, all cars seem to use more fuel, whether it's the extra heat or humidity, crappy fuel quality, or tha fact the aircon is on almost always, I don't know. I have never been impressed with the Ghia's economy but it's pretty heavy and always has 5 people aboard. For example, we fuelled up here once, drove 220km @ 110km/h, when we stopped for a toilet break we left the car idling to keep it cool inside for about 15 minutes. Economy went from an indicated 10.4 l/100 to 11.1 l/100. It never dropped below that for the rest of the trip and we ended up with an 11.6 l/100 average over 700km.

Is that a I6?
I have just done a comparison of mine now against the poll on the territory fuel consumption and my XR8 is now achieving similar figures to the lower end of the posted fuel consumption. I am actually getting better economy than half the respondants, cool (I have more power too)

BIGDOG · 08-10-2005, 08:34 PM

Yes there are some good results from fitting Vaporate. I will keep every one informed of the results I get from the fitting I do.

BIGDOG

geckoGT · 23-10-2005, 11:21 PM

Did a fill today and thought I would let you all know how it is going now. This tank had a cruise with some long highway stuff, a lot of WOT(I played quite a bit), some heavy traffic and suburban driving. Average speed was 50km/h, indicated consumption was 13.7L/100km, distance was 355km and range remaining was 112km. Fuel used was 46L which left 22L and actual consumption rate was 12.96L/100km, giving a true range per tank of 524km. This is fairly consistant with the results that I found earlier. So I am still saving considering prior to fitting I had to drive like a grandpa to get it into an indicated consumption of 15's

BIGDOG · 25-10-2005, 09:03 PM

All is good. Keep us informed
BIGDOG

dogwatch2 · 26-10-2005, 10:14 AM

I had it fitted to my BA Ghia 6 a couple of weeks ago. It's a bit early yet but it seems to give about 5 to 9 percent better economy. Coming back from Brisbane to Maitland yesterday I got about 9.2 l/100km, 56 litres for 604 km, the computer was pessimistic - it said 9.5/100km. Normally on the highway I got about 9.9l/100. I sat on the speed limit plus 10k where I could. Power wise it feels the same. I suspect the idle isn't as smooth as it was, but that might be my imagination. Going to work I normally get 10.6 (mainly highway - 160k round trip), with vaporate about 10.0. I got mine fitted free so it's worth it for me :thebirds: :thebirds: , but I don't even know what it costs. I know that a decent exhaust on a Ford will give sightly better economy results with more power and a nice note, so you would have to compare it to that.

Pacman77 · 07-07-2006, 01:45 PM

had the collars fitted to my AU classic (6cyl) recently and noted a very minimal fuel saving, getting about 20kms extra out of a tank although i have noticed that on cold mornings theres virtually no vapours emitted from the exhaust.

Abacus · 07-07-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGDOG

Fitted vaporate to AU3 XR8 yesterday and am waiting for results.
Owner claims 12.5 L/100k so we will see what the difference is after fitting

BIGDOG

How on earth does he average 12.5 L/100k out of an XR8?

I average between 17.5 and 21.5......

chich · 08-07-2006, 05:42 PM

I wonder if this thing will cause hot starting issues in summer (fuel vaporisation in the fuel rail)..