911 the conspiracy, an inside job?

[DJL351]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

I dont know what location of the Pentagon that photo was taken, it could have been anywhere.

The Pentagon and WTC were contructed totally different, you cant compare the two in regards to fire succeptability.

Just like the photos of the plane wreckage.... you can say for sure where they were taken!

As for constrution.... I'm talking FIRE... and more than that Jet Fuel Fire!
If the Jet Fuel Fires bought down the towers... why is there so little Fire and/or smoke damage to the Petagon???

[4.9 EF Futura]

The buildings did not implode - they collapsed.

When a building is the subject of controlled deolition, the legs are blown out from underneath it in a certain pattern at very specific, discreet time intervals, which causes the building to collapse in a certain way (usually away from nearby buildings etc)

A building subject to controlled demolition does not tear through the centre of the building causing the fountain effect like we saw on 11/09/01.

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by 82XD351.3v

I doubt that even the americain goverment would blow up there own people 'John Howard on the other hand would have a crack at it if it ment more money for the rich

^^^

Be very afraid people, THIS PERSON VOTES.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by RATT

If the towers were infact imploded, then how do you explain that the "implosion" started exactly where both planes hit?

Thats right...all theses extra explosions and smoke coming from the other parts of the WTC's are all very probable...Two planes that have only just taken off so there is so much jet fuel in the wings it would create such a big explosion.
The fuel is on fire...Gas lines have been ruptured and ignited..and then you have elevator shafts that would give the jet fuel... that is now liquid fire free access to the entire building...

[XR Martin]

This is how much of the Pentagon had to be rebuilt due to the fire and or smoke damage.

[uranium_death]

I wish to sum it up...

The world is ******!

So I'll just stay on FF in relative ignorance

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

I wish to sum it up...

The world is ******!

So I'll just stay on FF in relative ignorance

Yeah the likely hood of being killed while being on FF is slim, as long as the wife is in a good mood... :

[GCFordChic]

The reason the word 'explosion' was probably used so much by witnesses to describe the large sounds heard after the initial plane impacts, is likely to be the result of...
a) the WTC had been subject to a terrorist bombing back in '92 (?), the link in peoples minds with big noises at that location, when the building had been on flames...explosion, bang, boom.
b) all it takes is for one person to suggest a large cracking noise sounds like an explosion and that is the word of the day
c) once it was suspected that it was a terrorist attack, the first thing people think of are bombs.

A noise heard in an environment of confusion, shock, anger, disbelief and sadness could be anything. How many times have you heard a noise and said 'WTF was that?'?

"A conspiracy theory is a theory that claims an event or series of events is the result of secret manipulations by two or more individuals or an organization, rather than the result of a single perpetrator or natural occurrence. Conspiracy theories often defy an official or dominant understanding of events, and proponents sometimes substitute zeal for logic."

Ignorance is bliss. Sometimes it is good for you to not get so invloved in believing the world is full of liars and people out to get you.

I have looked into the 'facts' and have made up my mind.
Today, especially, i will remember the loss of life and another point in history the world changed forever. I will consider the affect this inexcusable, horrific, dispicable event had on the families and close friends of those who did not stand a chance against evil in this world, without doubting the ultimate source of this evil, humans.
Funnily enough it is politically incorrect to hate Muslims and Extreemist societies based on the actions of a few, yet it is not politically incorrect to question, hate and blame governments and officials based on the possible (but as yet UNPROVEN) actions of a few.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Yeah the likely hood of being killed while being on FF is slim, as long as the wife is in a good mood... :

And you dont get the Lynch Mob angry... ing_sm :

[Psycho Chicken]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons

Nuff said.

[5speedeb]

hmmmmmm i wonder how long this thread will last

[leonbray]

Man I'm tired of this crap

If you want evidence that the pentagon got hit by an aircraft talk to the people in the Naval Annexe that are still undergoing conselling or had to retire because they saw the aircraft fly overhead and hit the building

This whole conspiracy crap just sickens me - 3500 people died as the result of massive explosions - people in other countries celebrated when it happened - and we are supposed to believe that our own security organisations were able to plan the attack, acquire additional aircraft, wire up key buildings with tons of explosive and hide or execute several hundred people who disappeared because they weren't really on the aircraft that crashed into the buildings ....

Make enquiries, question our leaders ,,,,, but at least do it intelligently

These movies are an insult

[klawsterfobik]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

It was a week after my bithday, very significant day in history....

Although September 11th, 2001 there was a bigger event.

Too right it was a bigger event, it was my 17th birthday!

[conordec]

i just want to know how the buildings could collapse at the same speed of gravity, without anything seemingly slowing it down, ie, other floors.
the tower 7 collapse is a joke.
and the confiscation of all relative video surveilance around the pentagon... well, why would they all be running aroud hotels/servos pulling video surveilance while the pentagon was still alight? didn't they think they should be helping the injured?

dunno.... all i can say is thank god i'm australian.... and not something else.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by conordec

i just want to know how the buildings could collapse at the same speed of gravity, without anything seemingly slowing it down, ie, other floors.
the tower 7 collapse is a joke.
and the confiscation of all relative video surveilance around the pentagon... well, why would they all be running aroud hotels/servos pulling video surveilance while the pentagon was still alight? didn't they think they should be helping the injured?

dunno.... all i can say is thank god i'm australian.... and not something else.

They didnt 'freefall', its another myth perpetrated by the CTs.
A large portion of the building dissapears behind the massive dust cloud, obscuring how much really is left of the building.
Experts have estimated that the real time for the complete collapse is 12-15secs. (free fall would have been a little over 9secs)

Quite clearly you can see parts of the building falling well ahead of the rest, this dispells the 'freefall' fallacy. (ie everything hitting the ground at the same time)
http://www.911myths.com/html/freefall.html

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/Collapse.jpg (copy link into browser)


Building 7 is another myth, it was heavily on fire, and suffered upto 20 floors of structural damage.

Fires in WTC 7

Vid of smoke
http://www.911myths.com/wtc7moresmoke.avi
Listen to the firefighters
http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Smoke.avi

Smoke pics (copy the link into the browser)

http://www.911myths.com/assets/image...b_Magnum11.jpg
http://www.911myths.com/assets/image...b_Magnum21.jpg

Obvious damage to the building
http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/7wtc.jpg

One of the many firefighter's comments in regards to the WTC 7's condition

Captain Chris Boyle
Engine 94 - 18 years

Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?

Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.

Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9.../gz/boyle.html

[charles_wif_xf]

Originally Posted by Dave_au

I dont think there is anything conspriacy here whatsoever, there probably is an unrelated conspiracy to invade Iraq, there was probably a conspiracy to kill JFK, but other than that it's all a storm in a teacup.

There seems to be some condition of the human psyche which always warrants imaginative theories even when the most logical argument is the explaination.

There is absolutely nothing logical about the explanations the government has offered about the events which happened on 11/09/2001

[GCFordChic]

Hopefully this will only continue for the 30 mins there is left of Sept 11, 2006...then it can be buried until the same time next year.... :yeees: _

[rodderz]

I read all the conspiracy stuff a while ago, it's worth reading th debunking stuff to get the full picture. Most theories are shot down with the full info. That said, there are still some holes in the story, a lot of coincidance and some dodgy things and people involved in the US government

In the paper on the weekend it said 1 in 3 Americans thought the government had prior knowledge of 9/11

[GCFordChic]

Originally Posted by rodderz

In the paper on the weekend it said 1 in 3 Americans thought the government had prior knowledge of 9/11

What i personally think the extent of this knowledge involved:

It is the day that will come after the 10th of September.
Stuff may or may not happen that day.
The government will probably have to answer to something on that day, be it a White house 'scandal' or their position on funding another project.
It is the day that comes before the 12th of September.


I think there is a conspiracy to make people think there is a conspiracy about the events of September 11, 2001. Hell, there might even be a conspiracy, to make people think there is a conspiracy about a conspiracy surrounding September 11, 2001.

Rarely will there be a case like this where there are no gaps, where everything is completely explained and where there are no mere coincidences.

It all CAN be explained by one simple thing. Some human beings are the personification of all that is sick and evil.

[jimmy_c]

Its amazing how much you can get away with when you write the rules and the story.

The pentagon was attacked by its own government. How the hell do you crash a fully fueled 737 into the side of a building and leave no mess. All other plane crashes spred crap over kms of land. The pentagon attack looks more like a small plane or missle.

Esp the lack of Two large TURBOFAN jet engines. and wings.

Im sure when we are old and gray the truth will come out and it will be too late to put the paid truth makers in jail for killing alot of people.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by jimmy_c

Its amazing how much you can get away with when you write the rules and the story.

The pentagon was attacked by its own government. How the hell do you crash a fully fueled 737 into the side of a building and leave no mess. All other plane crashes spred crap over kms of land. The pentagon attack looks more like a small plane or missle.

Esp the lack of Two large TURBOFAN jet engines. and wings.

Im sure when we are old and gray the truth will come out and it will be too late to put the paid truth makers in jail for killing alot of people.

Did you look at the links I posted? Or did you just go straight to 'Reply' before reading anything?

[AC]

Well the Roswell conspiracy theories were the flavour of the last millennium...




So i guess now they have something else to feed people on for in the new millennium...

Another 60 odd years and they'll create something better again :
Or just keep fuelling the fire...

[DJL351]

It is shocking just how many people will blindly follow and swallow whatever the Government(s) say. :monkes:

Most, if not all, of these "debunking" sites are from statements or so called "facts" from departments commisioned by the Bush Goverment!

To quote one previous US Pres.... "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!"
But wait..... He DID! :

The USA have what they want.... full control and they now get to make the rules up as they go.

[Psycho Chicken]

And on the other hand people will scoff up anything. They said it on the interweb, it must be true!!!

Can anyone seriously believe for a second that a government would get hundreds, if not thousands of people in on the secret, not have any of those people spill their guts then let crackpot college students on the net uncover the whole thing and get away with it?

[DJL351]

Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

And on the other hand people will scoff up anything. They said it on the interweb, it must be true!!!

Can anyone seriously believe for a second that a government would get hundreds, if not thousands of people in on the secret, not have any of those people spill their guts then let crackpot college students on the net uncover the whole thing and get away with it?

It's all smoke and mirrors. Same as any magic act... misdirection.

And who says that "everyone" knew what was about to happen??
I'd be doubtful if anyone outside the Bush Admin and maybe some FBI/CIA
would have know about it.

[XR Martin]

So why doesnt an opposing political party expose all this conspiracy? It would be a major coup and could easily sweep them into power.
And why does the Government not do anything about the people coming up with the conspiracys? If they have so much power now, and can lock people up without charge, dont you think people would be swiftly dissapearing for 'uncovering' their massive lie?
Back in the 40s,50s,60s if you were even thought to be associated with communism or a communist sympathyser, you'd be black listed, arrested, jailed and even executed (as a spy) without thought.
But now, supposidly they have more power than ever, yet do nothing about these people, why do you think that?
Because they know they are all crack pots.

[spoonage]

Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

And on the other hand people will scoff up anything. They said it on the interweb, it must be true!!!

Can anyone seriously believe for a second that a government would get hundreds, if not thousands of people in on the secret, not have any of those people spill their guts then let crackpot college students on the net uncover the whole thing and get away with it?

: I know what you've been reading.



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So very very true. Blunt, but true. Some of these py: need to get off the wacky tobaccy.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by spoonage

: I know what

So very very true. Blunt, but true. Some of these py: need to get off the wacky tobaccy.

In the 60s and 70s these people (ie school age/university age) were out protesting the Vietnam war, trying to overthrow the Government and even actively support North Vietnam, yet these days the same type of people just make a few videos and websites, post it on the internet and think they know it all.
If these people were really serious and really did know it all, they would be out protesting, revolting, overthrowing the Government or even creating their own political party.

If the Governments are so bad then why dont conspiracy theorists do something about it? Lets see them run the show, every day would be a 9/11.

[conordec]

sorry, XR6 MARTIN
""""They didnt 'freefall', its another myth perpetrated by the CTs."""""




i will delete all you wrote in your reply, not because i don't want to bring it up but these posts are getting very long.

sorry, but can you explain the gravity bit again, as without quoting exact seconds, give or take 4 seconds and all that metal and concrete (yeah the concrete that was obliterated to dust, ie, after impact, not burnt, etc, etc) wouldn't it take a bit longer? or does physical matter just self destruct on compressional factors of weight? sorry no neuton theories if thats how you spell it.

like I have said, i'm a simple person, not a builder. just a simple chef.

i'm not on anyones side, just can't grasp it.

cheers mick. ( an aussie, who's father served in vietnam )

oh, as i type, i watched BUSH live, and my hong kong wifey and i just laughed at the georgie bush press conference.... sorry, you would have been in bed, live is one thing, doctored is another. will be good to see what is aired tomorrow.

"HOW MANY AMERICANS ARE SCARED AS >>>> AND ARE NOW NOT STOPPING THE SPENDING OF MONEY ON WAR? BULLETS, MISSILES, BOMBS AND LIVES?"

[XR Martin]

I imagine it was due to the weight.
Each building weighed approx 500,000tons.
The first plane hit about 3/4 up, and the 2nd about 2/3s.
So thats over 100,000tons and approx 200,000tons respectively above the impact site.
Once the supporting columns failed, nothing would have stopped all that weight.
Also only the floors were covered in concrete, the outside of the building was just steel columns encased in an aluminium facade.
It was a light building for its size, in alot of other high rise buildings, concrete encases the columns and parts of the structure, not only for strength, but fire protection. The WTC used a spray on fire protection on its internal structure, which is lighter, but more succeptable to damage.


BTW: Give my thanks to your father for serving our great country