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the ve ute has been around for years and ss utes were dearer than 40k drive-away to start with. people who really wanted one probably have one by now. seems people are lining up to buy the 86 and brz so clearly toyobaru have done something right. theres been enough keyboard warriors and reviews saying how slow the 86 is and people are still buying them so clearly that isnt the deciding factor for them. good job toyobaru
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Completely different people will purchase a V8 to people who will look at an 86. We've only just bought a V8...our old WB ute...but as a primary vehicle we'd never consider a V8, not in Queensland where it's over a grand to register one.
Hehe...never been lumped in with the "ricers" before...guess owning and loving a Celica as well as our G6E will get you that tag... ![]() The internet will only take you so far with your car knowledge...not all of it accurate. I suppose it's my fault...I've had thirty years of owning and driving a wide variety of cars, not all of them storming straight line powerhouses (in fact, only one would meet that criteria), and a lot of them "underpowered" but nicely handling "ricers", or had friends who have owned plenty of different ricers like Silvias and Skylines that I haven't personally owned, so I have had a fair bit of experience with them too. That is what makes me appreciate what the 86 is about rather than what the internet might tell me. Last edited by 2011G6E; 17-07-2012 at 12:57 PM. |
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why not just drop a turbo engine or kit on it?
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my comments were in reference to youtube test pilots
I drove a GTR for about 3 years so found the suggestion that the AE86 had it on the ropes because it was too heavy just too much to say nothing any longer 34 driver could have eaten a hamburger whilst waiting patiently behind the Toyota in the real world Video was just for fun |
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But I guess there's no need, as it has no direct competitor: there are people who consider a performance car must be rwd: thus counting out the Megane, Gti, WRX-all which are vastly superior (haven't driven the Megane yet but given the other two a good flogging and the Megane is rated above them...) so Toyota can afford to short change buyers in the engine department. Sorry, but 0-100 in 7.5 secs (as tested) ain't a sports car (in fact slower than a base model Falcon or Aurion in fact). Doesn't matter though, these things will sell out as a poser mobile: Toyota and Subaru won't care. |
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God its so slow though, my car is probably quicker.
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Subaru product planning chiefs told GoAuto in Japan last year that turbocharging the BRZ would be “very difficult” due to the lack of space around the exhaust system of the low-slung boxer engine. The exhaust pipe exits the engine between the wheelhousing and the steering column with centimetres to spare, and then enters the close-coupled catalytic converter. Mr Senior said he had seen no plans for a turbo-charged BRZ on Subaru product planning charts. Nor had he seen any plans for a convertible BRZ, as rumoured. |
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They could a least give it a name.
Check out my new car. wow,looks cool what is it toyota 86 Whats that mean Who cares its so cool looks a bit like a subaru i saw yesterday What was that called Dunno bzz or something 6 months later trade in on the next cool coupe |
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Secondly, acceleration figures aren't the sole deciding factor in a sports car: so true: a GT3 is over a second slower than an R35 to 100 but, as anyone fortunate enough to have driven both, the feel of the GT3 is unlike anything else. But there are limits. 7.5 secs is a joke, and is taking the pee out of buyers. I'd say anyone who is happy to accept a sports car that's slower than a taxi is the one with no idea. |
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you're a lucky man to have driven an R35 and a GT3
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supercharging is more likely imo. more compact, easier to plumb in a tight spot.
so many narrow minds still... seriously considering a ft86 to a ss ute? so theyve been compared to taxis, diesels, v8 utes etc... damn they must have done a good job if its covering all those bases. |
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I think the ft86 wont last, it seems like a bit of a flash in the pan.
Its not really made to modify like the older jap cars where (bigger engine bays, easily removable factory restrictions) They should have made a 2 door 2 seater convertible and a turbo sportier model
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Apart from the 3 things you mention, a Commodore ute and the 86 are worlds apart, appeal to completely different markets - they have nothing to do with each other. If you'd think about buying a ute, then obviously the 86 wouldn't even register on your buying radar. GT3's, R35's and the like - they're high performance cars that cost triple or quadruple what the 86 does. The 86 is a sports car in the traditional sense, in the spirit of the old stuff from England. But its only $30k. What do you expect for that money? You get what you pay for, and in this case you get a car that, from all accounts, is incredibly fun to drive. Nothing wrong with saying you want more power, and its true,the 86 doesn't offer that, but it has other strengths that make it a bargain in its own right. |
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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It'll be great to see what tuning shops can do to these things. I hope one here in Adelaide buys one for R+D purposes, and shows everyone what can be done to them. I know a mate of mine is looking at buying one, might even have placed his order so I'll take it for a good flog as soon as he gets it(if that is the case). He wouldn't buy an auto so I know it'll be fun.
I think a few people are still missing the point. Why is this car being compared to the SS ute? The Ute is a tradesman car, with 4 extra cylinders and is NOT a coupe.....who called it a coupe up there? someone did. You can't compare the two cars, as they are built for different purposes. I wouldn't buy a ute unless I was to become a builder, sparky or plumber or something and cart my tools around effortlessly with V8 torque. I'd buy an 86 to lope around the hills in having fun, because Adelaide has heaps of great twisty roads that cry out for a car like the 86. According to Fiesta_man69 I'd be better off with the SS ute? In the Adelaide hills? That's pretty rich. I'm not blessed with cojones big enough to punt a ute around the hills and if I was I'd be doing it slowly. The 86 will shine with the 6 speed gearbox, revvy little 4 cyl and lightweight body. Might convince Chris to chuck some coilovers and bigger brakes on it and maybe a few engine mods too. My point of all this is, don't compare two totally different cars just because they have a manual transmission and are RWD. Otherwise we could pull cars of the world at random and compare all day long and get nowhere.
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Been in a the new 86 lots of gizmos start button is cool wonder if the new 86 will rust away like the old AE86 hehee
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The new 86 has a glass gearbox, highly strung engine (very limited for extra power), high compression ratio ruling out a turbo kit, or supercharger, and other lightweight (read: weak) parts that aren't able to handle more horsepower. The kind of modifying Toyota/Subaru have in mind is body kits and fully sick big rims. But they make it faster, right? |
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My Celica was lucky to be owned by an old lady who kept it garaged and carefully serviced and rustproofed, so it's hardly typical of the era. |
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Ford need their marketing strategies badly!!! Look entire 2012 allocated stock sold in 3 hrs!!!
http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2012...-success-31350
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Im just dumbfounded as to the level of popularity for these cars. Incredible.
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http://www.carpoint.com.au/reviews/2...ous-five-31262
Definitely an article to read if you are one of the ones who don't get it.
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