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BENT_8 · 28-07-2021, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

I thinks it's more that the people are not listening............... like the families who got caught in Jindabyne and Thredbo, from a lockdown area in Syd, because they wanted a holiday in the Snow

What do you believe is the difference then between the people of NSW and SA?

**GasoLane** · 28-07-2021, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

What do you believe is the difference then between the people of NSW and SA?

No idea.

slowsnake · 28-07-2021, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

What do you believe is the difference then between the people of NSW and SA?

POSTCODE

Cheers bWilliam

**buggerlugs** · 28-07-2021, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

What do you believe is the difference then between the people of NSW and SA?

Most people in South Australia got up to grade 7 in school. Most people in New South Wales didn't

tweeked · 29-07-2021, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

What do you believe is the difference then between the people of NSW and SA?

1986 - 2020...The mullet never went away in South Australia?

**Polyal** · 29-07-2021, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

What do you believe is the difference then between the people of NSW and SA?

Population density and numbers.

I think each state is fairly equal in compliance with the law and/or ethical standing.

**FTE217** · 28-07-2021, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

I thinks it's more that the people are not listening............... like the families who got caught in Jindabyne and Thredbo, from a lockdown area in Syd, because they wanted a holiday in the Snow

+1 - agreed.

Citroënbender · 28-07-2021, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I gotta ask the most stupid question of this thread.
100+ cases a day.
What are 100+ people doing wrong each day to catch it?
There is no analysis what they are doing other than they have caught it.
What are we really learning.

I’ve been tilting at this detail for a while. My unqualified analysis is: Unstructured living. Shopping too often, not planning jobs, buying convenience foods.

It would help - but is practically a challenge - if the smaller residential flat buildings could nominate a “grandma/aunty” as Covid cop. Someone who was home almost all the time, understood the regs, could do the basic sanitising (common area doorknobs, intercom pads, mailbox fascias) a few times a day, and was multilingual if required.

slowsnake · 28-07-2021, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I gotta ask the most stupid question of this thread.
100+ cases a day.
What are 100+ people doing wrong each day to catch it?
There is no analysis what they are doing other than they have caught it.
What are we really learning.

Probably 50% thick as 2 short planks and 50% just plain old selfish

Cheers Willy

EgoFG · 29-07-2021, 01:36 AM

OK, I have been giving this a few brain cycles.
Given that lockdowns cannot stop coronavirus, they can only change who gets sick, and when, what role to lockdowns have during a pandemic ?

The Who and When are the important things.
1) the who:

lockdown the vulnerable - commonsense should come into play though, a vaccinated relative who tests negative should be able to visit.
2) The when:
Create a history based projection of hospitalisations based on infection count - this should be updated daily.
When the projection indicates that a given 'community' (state, country, LGA, Hispital area) would pass say 30% of hospital capacity, then that community should be locked down for a week - this of course should be revised daily, with any lockdown being for a minimum of a week.

slowsnake · 29-07-2021, 07:33 AM

It's to stop folk in their tracks and force them back on their own resources, problem is nobody listens to others, even if it's for their own benefit, case in point the riff-raff that were involved in protests.

This life of eating and drinking from "the horn of plenty " is well and truly over, only we can repair the damage done, pretty basic sh.t really

Cheers bWilliam

Citroënbender · 29-07-2021, 08:05 AM

The ABC is kite-flying early about the (un?)reality of Sydney’s current position being extended into September. A given, for so long as they dream the impossible dream.

slowsnake · 29-07-2021, 08:27 AM

Watched the "Seekers" on TV few days ago, took me back to a simpler world, a childlike world, but they sung their whole repertoire, and the very poignant "the Carnival is Over"...and folks the Carnival really is over, we are done like a dog's dinner, and all the reality TV fools, on and off screen and those poor folk who think Home and Away and Neighbours is real are in for a shock, but that is the basic mentality of most folk, they believe in faeries and angels, how do you communicate something so complex and destructive as a corona virus to their small selfish minds?

Cheers bWilliam

**buggerlugs** · 29-07-2021, 08:40 AM

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...ntry/100329374

**russellw** · 29-07-2021, 12:58 PM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT July 28th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

208 new cases for Australia and 0 deaths so the CMR is 2.751%.

1 new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.908%.

The UK had a higher 25,402 cases yesterday and lower 127 deaths for a CMR of 2.243%.

A higher 77,825 new cases in the USA yesterday and higher 603 deaths sees CMR at 1.773% and there was also a +33,758 adjustment in overall case numbers.

Other notable points:
Global deaths pass 4.2M, the last 50k in 6 days;
Global cases pass 196M, the last 1M in 2 days;
Yesterday was the first day over 600k cases since May 21st;
Asia passes 61M cases;
Europe passes 51M cases;
Oceania passes 100k cases;

Laos (280);
Eswatini (539);
Algeria (1,927);
South Korea (1,896);
Mozambique (2,460);
Kazakhstan (6,925) - the 7th consecutive day;
Morocco (9,428);
Cuba (9,323);
Iraq (13,515);
Bangladesh (16,230);
Thailand (16,533); and
Malaysia (17,405)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Sri Lanka moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while no countries drop below.

**FairmontGS** · 29-07-2021, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by russellw

The UK had a higher 25,402 cases yesterday and much higher 603 deaths for a CMR of 2.243%.

A higher 77,825 new cases in the USA yesterday and lower 107 deaths sees CMR at 1.773% and there was also a +33,758 adjustment in overall case numbers.

UK 603 deaths yesterday?

**FTE217** · 29-07-2021, 06:09 PM

YT, whilst I agree with you places like the chemists and all should have been given the clearance months ago.
Just to give you some feedback having a doctor nearby and I quickly got a test done in my area yesterday arvo.

The Doc telling me people are not getting/or even thinking how much burn out our Docs/nurse's, in clinics/testing stations etcetc are breaking down.
Like all of us, life is covid this covid that, news/radio in daily lives.
So we need to give those in the front line some slack, they are working hard.
Thats every State obviously when under the pump.
What 85000 tests a day right now.
So just a thought, some may say get the forces in to back up.
Hey not our call but you'd think why isn't it considered.

I went to get a test by 4pm yesterday just to be sure to be sure, I got my Negative SMS around 11.30pm last night.
I thought wow they are pumping these out, how long hours do these Labs run for and staff, I heard we have been flying some interstate its that many.

Citroënbender · 29-07-2021, 06:18 PM

Yes, you’re so right about the stress on all of them. I’ve this week experienced doctors and pharmacists almost in tears; surely this constant grind will manifest eventually as trauma.

xkxlxm · 29-07-2021, 06:40 PM

Regarding: "harshest lockdown conditions Australia has ever seen" mentioned by BENT_8. I heard her say that today. Has any part of Sydney had a night time curfew? Melbourne had one starting at 8pm but I can't remember how long it went for.

This might be a bit controversial, but I find it hard to view the NSW Premier as the kind of authority figure needed in this situation.

prydey · 29-07-2021, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

YT, whilst I agree with you places like the chemists and all should have been given the clearance months ago.
Just to give you some feedback having a doctor nearby and I quickly got a test done in my area yesterday arvo.

The Doc telling me people are not getting/or even thinking how much burn out our Docs/nurse's, in clinics/testing stations etcetc are breaking down.
Like all of us, life is covid this covid that, news/radio in daily lives.
So we need to give those in the front line some slack, they are working hard.
Thats every State obviously when under the pump.
What 85000 tests a day right now.
So just a thought, some may say get the forces in to back up.
Hey not our call but you'd think why isn't it considered.

I went to get a test by 4pm yesterday just to be sure to be sure, I got my Negative SMS around 11.30pm last night.
I thought wow they are pumping these out, how long hours do these Labs run for and staff, I heard we have been flying some interstate its that many.

Well said. Sometimes it gets forgotten that the clinics and labs etc are all run by humans, who are dealing with covid just like everyone else.

Also the constant demanding for vaccine rates to improve... You can't supply what you don't have. Some people just need to take a breath and a step back.

T3rminator · 29-07-2021, 07:05 PM

They are really going for gold here. Its one thing to get ADF to man borders and hotel quarantine, but its another to get them to walk the streets to enforce lock down? What country do we live in again?

And didn't the feds previously refuse ADF support for Vic to enforce public health orders, because they had "no legal authority". What has changed?

NSW Police request ADF help to crack down on COVID-19 compliance in Sydney
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...help/100334878

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Just so people understand why im so filthy with the NSW government, right now 6 million NSW residents are in lockdown, **** loads of them are eligible for the federal governments handouts and will be at a greater rate until they get their **** sorted out.

Fully understand. There are many people who are filthy mate. I got no beef with the people who are getting support if they are unfortunate enough to need it, but to announce an increase on the day that SA and Vic came out of lock down is pretty slimey. Does the new rate apply retrospectively for SA and Vic residents?

BENT_8 · 29-07-2021, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

They are really going for gold here. Its one thing to get ADF to man borders and hotel quarantine, but its another to get them to walk the streets to enforce lock down? What country do we live in again?

And didn't the feds previously refuse ADF support for Vic to enforce public health orders, because they had "no legal authority". What has changed?

NSW Police request ADF help to crack down on COVID-19 compliance in Sydney
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...help/100334878

Fully understand. There are many people who are filthy mate. I got no beef with the people who are getting support if they are unfortunate enough to need it, but to announce an increase on the day that SA and Vic came out of lock down is pretty slimey. Does the new rate apply retrospectively for SA and Vic residents?

I dont have a problem with them calling on the ADF to help, anything that gets the right message through to stop the ongoing spread is money well spent for mine.

I dont have a problem with those in need getting the financial assistance either, nor do i care about the increase, which wont be applied retrospectively top SA residents im led to believe.
What annoys me is that people will receive this help for much longer than could have been necessary due to Government decisions whilst those of us with ongoing employment lockdown related issues in SA are forgotten about.

T3rminator · 29-07-2021, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

I dont have a problem with them calling on the ADF to help, anything that gets the right message through to stop the ongoing spread is money well spent for mine.

I dont have a problem with those in need getting the financial assistance either, nor do i care about the increase, which wont be applied retrospectively top SA residents im led to believe.
What annoys me is that people will receive this help for much longer than could have been necessary due to Government decisions whilst those of us with ongoing employment lockdown related issues in SA are forgotten about.

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

don't stress it, the ADF can't ENFORCE anything, they are not allowed to raise arms against their own country - you may see the ADF walking around, but you can back it is they won't be carrying guns, that is left to the Police

The ADF will be used like they were here, just to walk with the others to keep 'enforcement' numbers up

However WorkSafe do have emergency powers in Victoria to ENFORCE the rules as they apply to workplaces

Helping to monitor is ok. Enforcing would be a different matter. I thought I read that they would be requested to help enforce compliance (and help with logistics), which becomes problematic.

Feds said ADF couldn't help man the hotel floors in VIC because they had no authority to enforce public health orders. I think we had ADF to help visit homes to check if people were staying home when they had to isolate. They would then just report back if someone was not home, no enforcement. Did they walk the streets in Melb? I didn't see any.

Citroënbender · 29-07-2021, 10:31 PM

The ADF could always misunderstand, sending military bands to help… Or maybe Israel can send some of their soldiers. That will flummox Avi.

First A-Z shot tomorrow, got to admit the media hubbub has given me a little more apprehension than I should have. That said, not backing away - it’s like enlistment; I’m doing it mostly for others.

Trevor 57 · 29-07-2021, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

They are really going for gold here. Its one thing to get ADF to man borders and hotel quarantine, but its another to get them to walk the streets to enforce lock down? What country do we live in again?

don't stress it, the ADF can't ENFORCE anything, they are not allowed to raise arms against their own country - you may see the ADF walking around, but you can back it is they won't be carrying guns, that is left to the Police

The ADF will be used like they were here, just to walk with the others to keep 'enforcement' numbers up

However WorkSafe do have emergency powers in Victoria to ENFORCE the rules as they apply to workplaces

T3rminator · 29-07-2021, 09:09 PM

Google has just released their mobility report across the world. The baseline is set at Jan 2020 I think. Data period is 13th June to 25th July.

https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/

The Australian report is here...

https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobi...port_en-GB.pdf

Just a bit of comparison between the 3 states that went into lock down during this period.

Retail and Recreation
SA = -56%
NSW = -45%
VIC = -50%

Supermarket and pharmacy
SA = -15%
NSW = -15%
VIC = -10%

Parks
SA = -70%
NSW = -25%
VIC = -52%

prydey · 30-07-2021, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Google has just released their mobility report across the world. The baseline is set at Jan 2020 I think. Data period is 13th June to 25th July.

https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/

The Australian report is here...

https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobi...port_en-GB.pdf

Just a bit of comparison between the 3 states that went into lock down during this period.

Retail and Recreation
SA = -56%
NSW = -45%
VIC = -50%

Supermarket and pharmacy
SA = -15%
NSW = -15%
VIC = -10%

Parks
SA = -70%
NSW = -25%
VIC = -52%

It would appear that the stats back up that nsw hasn't reduced their movements by as much as they probably should to try to get on top of the virus.

Like our Prof Nicola Spurrier said, the virus only moves when people move.

zilo · 29-07-2021, 07:37 PM

Dr Mark Veitch, Director of Public Health
The Director of Public Health has advised that from midnight tonight Victoria will no longer be designated as a high-risk area.

This means that from midnight tonight people in home or hotel quarantine in Tasmania because they were recently in Victoria will be able to leave quarantine as long as they have not been at a high-risk premises in Victoria or another state, or anywhere in New South Wales, in the past 14 days.

4 days into my home quarantine..I love it.....

Ahhh Tasmania...don't come here guys it's freezing cold...trust me...stay in Vic/NSW/SA

**GasoLane** · 29-07-2021, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by zilo

Ahhh Tasmania...don't come here guys it's freezing cold...trust me...stay in Vic/NSW/SA

A bit better than Geelong eh?

zilo · 30-07-2021, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

A bit better than Geelong eh?

lived in Torquay for 20 years had an esplanade address and 100 acres out back...now a sheet hole...full of self entitled footballers.

Geelong? Even Ford got out of the place...

On the news tonight, Tasmania declared as one of the top 5 places to survive a major societal catastrophe. (virus,climate.war...etc etc)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...apse/100333892

BTW...no covid here...no masks..no restrictions...cya!

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