UK riots..

[SB076]

It was good to see residents join together to help clean up the mess - Need to keep in mind - those responsible for the riots are a minority

[JG66ME]

at this

"Nathan Dempster, an 18-year-old college student, sobbed in front of his mother and grandmother when he was told he would spend another week behind bars after being accused of stealing aftershave from a shop in Croydon".

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wor...-1226113122420

They will get their comeupence.

[Chopped]

Logo update >

[lilmattie]

Originally Posted by Chopped

Logo update >

I'm sorry - I had to smile at that.

Regardless of whatever circumstances took place that caused it - IMO the actions of the people running amuck in London and other cities is downright disgraceful. As is any form of rioting IMO - it achieves nothing but getting everyone worked up as far as I can see..

Will these riots (or whatever you want to call them) actually achieve anything? are they trying to achieve anything? I agree with the previous posters who have said that most of the people involved probably don't even know the reason behind what they're doing. They're just getting involved for the sake of it because it's happening and it's new and exciting to them.

Everyone's responsible for their own actions though. And I hope that the people involved 'do' get whatever they deserve, and that the whole sorry state of affairs will end.

Just stating a personal belief - we will see a lot more of these sorts of things occuring in the future all around the world. Even in Australia... just a personal observation...

[gt4lyfe]

You know, these riots could never happen in Australia, a lot of us tradies, family men and typical ochers would get out and protect our street/suburb with cricket bats no probs.. we would beat their head in within minutes..

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by gt4lyfe

You know, these riots could never happen in Australia, a lot of us tradies, family men and typical ochers would get out and protect our street/suburb with cricket bats no probs.. we would beat their head in within minutes..

Careful. While I understand what you are saying, a comment like that here could get you banned. Just sayin....

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Careful. While I understand what you are saying, a comment like that here could get you banned. Just sayin....

Very good advice there.

[snowcone]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

Very good advice there.

Seems like there are some very sensitive people on this forum.
Not the Australia of old.
If I was banned for making a comment like that I wouldn't want to be on a forum with so many sooks anyway.

[flappist]

Some members here do not seem to get it.

The admins have set policy that in the bar, plain argumentitive posts with no content relating to the subject of the thread, posts that are insulting personally against another member or posts that attack the member rather than the their point will not be tolerated.

They have appointed extra mods to the bar to ensure that this policy is implemented as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

Some posts have been deleted and no further action taken, while others have led to an alert being sent or a PM.

Unfortunately some members don't seem to be able to take a hint and are on holidays.

If anyone believes that the new policy is too harsh or not in the interest of AFF and has a good argument to support their position please PM russellw, spoolman or wulos or PM me and I will pass it on as they are the policy makers and actually do take notice of what ALL members think.

[atec77]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Whats the point of an unarmed police force? Its like having a friendly guard dog with no teeth. When I was in NZ, I also noticed police there had no weapons.

England has very little gun related crime, but I'm fairly sure that knife related crime over there is fairly decent.

Yes, I know political correctness has nothing to do with police not carrying weapons, but isn't political correctness about making everyone feel warm and fuzzy? If so why do you have segregated ethnic groups?

Unarmed police have two things on their side , being part of the big blue gang and the truncheons , having been in a one on one with a truncheon I know they hurt a lot and leave a lot of marks , guns generally are not required to quell most problems and personally I would prefer to see guns held by only the best trained and old member of the force .Now if the penalties for the use of a blade became 10 years mandatory we might make headway

[trippytaka]

Police are armed. Here is the proof.



Sorry, bad joke.

But funny as website sprung out of this.

http://photoshoplooter.tumblr.com/

[Day-mow]

i think the fact they wont get the military involved because of wanting to keep a clean image for the Olympic games is a tad silly.
one would assume you would want this shut down very fast and what ever means needed. but i am only a 22 yr old

[atec77]

Originally Posted by Chopped

Logo update >

Funny but very accurate

[bungarra]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

When you went to pukka you trained in riot responce?
Or when you went to your first posting you did more riot training?.

No, when trained for Civil Action Team, training with Malaysian Teams.

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

PLEASE... seriously drop it. There is no rubber bullet stockpile or water cannons hidden away.

No water cannons and never said there was. Rubber bullets there is as I have used them and trained at Swan Island with them within the last 3 years.

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And again... The ARMY (pommie or Australian) cant be used against its citizens unless an act of parliament occurs..

British can deploy on the say of the Prime Minister or Defence Minister at the request of the local Police.
Australian forces can be moved at time of insurrection at the discretion of the Prime Minister or Governor General at the request of State Government or the htreat is deemed sufficient for troop deployment.

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

The national guard in the USA are regular forces.. and a state of emergency/ marshall law needs to be declared before they can be used.

National Guard are reserve forces who do 3-6 month operations or deploy as required by US Military requirement. None of the colleges when African American students were escorted by NG were under Marshall Law or SOE declarations.

The Brits and Malaysians (Brit Trained) military have the best riot training, so the Brit Military will have no issue dealing with rioters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oifDFOzoiPQ

[vztrt]

3 people dead

http://www.theage.com.au/world/three...810-1imt5.html

Seems everyone was getting in on it

http://www.theage.com.au/world/wellh...811-1insa.html

[Buttnekid]

Originally Posted by gt4lyfe

You know, these riots could never happen in Australia, a lot of us tradies, family men and typical ochers would get out and protect our street/suburb with cricket bats no probs.. we would beat their head in within minutes..

I actually believe this comment to be an accurate statement as to what would llikely happen if a bunch of teens started running riot and trashing many suburbs in Perth - the locals would not tolerate it.

OFF TOPIC and perhaps should be moved.

Therefore why would making such a comment be ban worthy?

I have read the rules many times over and cannot see why?

"The admins have set policy that in the bar, plain argumentitive posts with no content relating to the subject of the thread, posts that are insulting personally against another member or posts that attack the member rather than the their point will not be tolerated."

The comment is not argumentative and has content directly related to thread subject nor is it insulting or attacking another member. I am a member on many forums and this forum has to be one of the most moderated however it does mean that the threads are much better managed, make sense and have less rubbish in them so that is a good thing.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Buttnekid

I actually believe this comment to be an accurate statement as to what would llikely happen if a bunch of teens started running riot and trashing many suburbs in Perth - the locals would not tolerate it.

Therefore why would making such a comment be ban worthy?

I have read the rules many times over and cannot see why?

It is not.

Part of our job is to stop threads heading off in a direction that may cause others to "stray from the path".

Please read my post above.

If you have a point such as the above and say it in the way it was said, I have no problem with it whatsoever.

Please understand that the job of moderation is to follow the policy regardless
of whether I personally agree or disagree with the argument or my personal opinion on the member posting.

[Buttnekid]

understand that Flappist and after moderating on other forums, appreciate that is how moderating must be done (uniformly) and it is a hard job for which you get little praise. My comment was raised in response to your fellow mod stating it was good advice that the comment in question may get the poster banned.

cheers

[blueoval]

This comment is not to start any arguments but reading post #33 again, this has already set a precedence for the content to be given in this thread.

[robbyg]

Just stumbled on to this thread, dont know all that much about it to be honest, just some snipits that iv'e seen on the tele and heard on talkback radio, seems to be a multicultural thing camoflaged as people doing it tough, IMO we will see the same here in a decade or so, maybe sooner.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Buttnekid

understand that Flappist and after moderating on other forums, appreciate that is how moderating must be done (uniformly) and it is a hard job for which you get little praise. My comment was raised in response to your fellow mod stating it was good advice that the comment in question may get the poster banned.

cheers

C'mon ...... just leave it alone and talk about the title rather than the topic of moderation. That side of the conversation has been said and done and need to move on ..........

[Work Horse]

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...Oakleigh+riots

Similar things have happened here and we are equally perplexed by the motivations.

[RSgerry]

i grew up around the worst affected areas of south london (peckham, lewisham and brixton) and can vouch for how tough these places are. i was there when brixton kicked off in 1981 and travelled through the place the next morning...it looked like baghdad on a bad day. I am saddened to see the same stuff happening again 30 years later. whilst there are a lot of aggravating factors, it still comes down to sheer thuggery. these people have no real protest, they are just scum looking for a free playstation. i hope that one day those involved evolve far enough to realise what they have done. i wont hold my breath.

[fmc351]

So who won the soccer, these things normally follow a match dont they? Theres an element of English society that likes to run amok, and we showed theres an element here with a tendency toward the same trait not that long ago.

[trippytaka]

Originally Posted by RSgerry

i grew up around the worst affected areas of south london (peckham, lewisham and brixton) and can vouch for how tough these places are. i was there when brixton kicked off in 1981 and travelled through the place the next morning...it looked like baghdad on a bad day. I am saddened to see the same stuff happening again 30 years later. whilst there are a lot of aggravating factors, it still comes down to sheer thuggery. these people have no real protest, they are just scum looking for a free playstation. i hope that one day those involved evolve far enough to realise what they have done. i wont hold my breath.

One of my mate's dads said pretty much the same thing to us the other day. He grew up in Glasgow Scotland before moving to Manchester and then out to Oz. To quote "Those kids are brought up to be scammers and progress to violent criminals pretty quick. Nothing but opportunism from the lowest opportunists."

[StealthAu]

Given the extent of the CCTV systems they have in Britain it amazes me people are so stupid to carry on the way they have been, hiding their faces is pointless to an extent when they are on camera the moment they step outside. It may take a few months, but the majority of these scum will end up in front of a judge.

[JG66ME]

In this article half way down is a photo of two policeman escorting a young person into detention. One of them is Metropolitan Police and the other has "NYPD" on his collar. Is this just a T shirt he has thrown on instead of his official uniform or what?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wor...-1226113540143

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by JG66ME

In this article half way down is a photo of two policeman escorting a young person into detention. One of them is Metropolitan Police and the other has "NYPD" on his collar. Is this just a T shirt he has thrown on instead of his official uniform or what?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wor...-1226113540143

Probably just a shirt, depending on what unit he's in he could have done training with the equivilent NYPD unit?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by JG66ME

In this article half way down is a photo of two policeman escorting a young person into detention. One of them is Metropolitan Police and the other has "NYPD" on his collar. Is this just a T shirt he has thrown on instead of his official uniform or what?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wor...-1226113540143

Northern Yorkshire Police Department ??

Maybe they have a few loaners like we lend AFP out occasionally

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by flappist

Northern Yorkshire Police Department ??

Maybe they have a few loaners like we lend AFP out occasionally

Bleedin' luxury. When I was with Met, we were lucky to have tinfoil out from griller under uniform.