Dating 2006 - A girls view - Page 4

Smoke Pursuit · 03-07-2006, 06:06 PM

Oh yeh and if there are any chicks between the age of 19 - 23 who are interested in a half decent guy in bris PM me!

LOL

I cant believe that making someone happy can really be this hard, yet some people will be happy with the more basic things in life, like cleanliness etc.

Shaking head in dissapointment!

dmat2391 · 03-07-2006, 06:13 PM

Some times guys can just be plain stupid too! Take me for instance, back in my days at uni I met a girl through our christian group who lived in the same general area as me. I had a car and she was good at scabbing lifts home, (Sitting in a car in peak hour traffic gives you time to get to know each other). Anyway a few weeks latter asks for a big favour, "I've got a late lecture on such and such night can you give me a lift home, because my parents are out that night and won't be able to pick me up. I'll cook dinner for us after to make it up to you." My reply was sorry I'm going out with my mates that night but your welcome to come too, if you like.
Tell my mates the next day about it and ask if it's OK if she can be included. Mates promptly crack me on the head, WTF... are you stupid!!!

used: It then finally dawned on me. All was not lost however, latter that night we were outside alone and she started complaining about lack of suitable men in her life. I, trying to be a smart ****, tease her by saying will I do? She says yes and I promptly crap myself.

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We've been together now for 13 yrs now and married for 10.
It all came down to that crappy corona my parents bought me and Sydney's crappy peak hour traffic that forced me to talk to the woman of my life. That and also a large group of girls as friends, it has to come down to numbers really, meet enough people and be willing to be honest and forthright and willing to communicate and one of them is bound to work out (that goes for men and women)

**Falcon Coupe** · 03-07-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

I married my girlfriend, now wife before we did anything below the belt. We went out for 3 years. You have no need to feel weird, I know where your coming from.

Strange fashion that, wearing a belt around the knees......

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TURBO_GHIA · 03-07-2006, 06:17 PM

yeha i dont get it ,its drives me insane ,hate it .i feel like saying buy a ****ing belt but they have one its stopping there jeans from sweaping the floor

XRchic · 03-07-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EDMONTY

yeha i dont get it ,its drives me insane ,hate it .i feel like saying buy a ****ing belt but they have one its stopping there jeans from sweaping the floor

VertexZ · 03-07-2006, 06:23 PM

I'd personally like to know where all the nice girls are hiding!

The one in my local meat markets (Melbournes outer east) dont tend to me of the ahem highest quality and not a fan on internet dating at all. I've definately met some screwed up women through these methods.

I guess confidence has a fair bit to do with it - alot of the guys arent confident enought to actually initiate the conversation, especially when sober. Alot of these tend to be the nice guys. So maybe the women need to take the lead a little more!

gtfpv · 03-07-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

I met my wife when she approached me in a pub and asked for my number.

then she went home and threw out all your books .

Angry Beaver · 03-07-2006, 06:34 PM

Ok I see alot of you guys saying that women dont want nice guys.. Then why is it that the vast majority of nice women who are decent in looks but carry an extra bit of weight and I am talking about the ones who are size 16 to 18 are not good enough for most of you. The vast majority of blokes that advertise in those so called dating things all ask for slim attractive and always ask for younger women.. So why is this. We women do not mind our blokes not having a six pack but most man complain if their women carry an extra kilo or two. Come on most of the nice girls are not model thin and most do not have drop dead looks. The vast majority of Aussie women range in size from 14 to 18 but we dont get a look in when it comes to dating. I am speaking from past experience of being a size 16. Oh and I have also been a size 8 as well so I have walked both sides of the street so to speak and I had more dates when I was aneroxic and guant looking then I did when I actually had more for you guys to hold onto, so to speak.

DJL351 · 03-07-2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Beaver

Ok I see alot of you guys saying that women dont want nice guys.. Then why is it that the vast majority of nice women who are decent in looks but carry an extra bit of weight and I am talking about the ones who are size 16 to 18 are not good enough for most of you. The vast majority of blokes that advertise in those so called dating things all ask for slim attractive and always ask for younger women.. So why is this. We women do not mind our blokes not having a six pack but most man complain if their women carry an extra kilo or two. Come on most of the nice girls are not model thin and most do not have drop dead looks. The vast majority of Aussie women range in size from 14 to 18 but we dont get a look in when it comes to dating. I am speaking from past experience of being a size 16. Oh and I have also been a size 8 as well so I have walked both sides of the street so to speak and I had more dates when I was aneroxic and guant looking then I did when I actually had more for you guys to hold onto, so to speak.

Don't like thin waifs.... people like Paris "look at me" Hilton do nothing for me. (at all)
For the record...... size 10 was a minimum for me. (not a maximum)

03-07-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Beaver

Ok I see alot of you guys saying that women dont want nice guys.. Then why is it that the vast majority of nice women who are decent in looks but carry an extra bit of weight and I am talking about the ones who are size 16 to 18 are not good enough for most of you. The vast majority of blokes that advertise in those so called dating things all ask for slim attractive and always ask for younger women.. So why is this. We women do not mind our blokes not having a six pack but most man complain if their women carry an extra kilo or two. Come on most of the nice girls are not model thin and most do not have drop dead looks. The vast majority of Aussie women range in size from 14 to 18 but we dont get a look in when it comes to dating. I am speaking from past experience of being a size 16. Oh and I have also been a size 8 as well so I have walked both sides of the street so to speak and I had more dates when I was aneroxic and guant looking then I did when I actually had more for you guys to hold onto, so to speak.

its a shame you have had this expeirence, AGAIN from talking to guys, most think its all about proportions etc etc. I think you'll find most guys dont want girls that are tiny.. maybe its an age thing, even when I was younger (early 20's) did not want a skinny I can see your ribs kind of girl....

last one I was with was bigger than me... and she could have put on heaps I did not care. as long as she was healthy.. be interseting to find out if older guys feel like that, sure the young punks do but as we all were young dumb and full of .... they'll learn in time.

gtfpv · 03-07-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Beaver

Ok I see alot of you guys saying that women dont want nice guys.. Then why is it that the vast majority of nice women who are decent in looks but carry an extra bit of weight and I am talking about the ones who are size 16 to 18 are not good enough for most of you. The vast majority of blokes that advertise in those so called dating things all ask for slim attractive and always ask for younger women.. So why is this. We women do not mind our blokes not having a six pack but most man complain if their women carry an extra kilo or two. Come on most of the nice girls are not model thin and most do not have drop dead looks. The vast majority of Aussie women range in size from 14 to 18 but we dont get a look in when it comes to dating. I am speaking from past experience of being a size 16. Oh and I have also been a size 8 as well so I have walked both sides of the street so to speak and I had more dates when I was aneroxic and guant looking then I did when I actually had more for you guys to hold onto, so to speak.

i dissagree , lots of biggger women are attractive . some men only like bigger women . i think women are more concerned with thier looks than men are about womens looks . i'm sure you have talked to other mothers at school and the topic , i coundn't care if i ever have sex again has come up with the other mothers .( in their 30's!!!! ). Us guys experiance young women . mainly our partners who love sex in their teens and 20's . so it's unfair to wonder why men look for younger women . they tend to naturaly be slimmer not because they try .

Blue Ice · 03-07-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Beaver

Ok I see alot of you guys saying that women dont want nice guys.. Then why is it that the vast majority of nice women who are decent in looks but carry an extra bit of weight and I am talking about the ones who are size 16 to 18 are not good enough for most of you. The vast majority of blokes that advertise in those so called dating things all ask for slim attractive and always ask for younger women.. So why is this. We women do not mind our blokes not having a six pack but most man complain if their women carry an extra kilo or two. Come on most of the nice girls are not model thin and most do not have drop dead looks. The vast majority of Aussie women range in size from 14 to 18 but we dont get a look in when it comes to dating. I am speaking from past experience of being a size 16. Oh and I have also been a size 8 as well so I have walked both sides of the street so to speak and I had more dates when I was aneroxic and guant looking then I did when I actually had more for you guys to hold onto, so to speak.

I personally dont rate high up on my list of things to look for, more personallity and stuff, I'd rather a girl thats interesting, caring, ect, than one thats just skinny with a bitchy stab in the back personallity.

pauly85 · 03-07-2006, 06:49 PM

its thh screwed up woman out there that makes nice guys turn into *** holes, i havent met 1 girl that likes me for me, its usually the cars, the friends, or in the latest case, my brother and neighbours.....needless to say im now in this for my self, if the woman dont like it they can get stuffed...for me to get together with another girl she would have to be VERY special!!

Bucket · 03-07-2006, 06:52 PM

Im a little sceptical of meeting girls in clubs, and i dont actually have that many female friends. I am a friendly outgoing guy by nature but just dont know where to look, or if to look at all.
I like to have nice clothes, be cleanly groomed and wear smelly stuff a) because i like to and b) i like to make a good impression...yes it's shallow but you're more likely to make a good impression because sight and scent are two very important things.. and its not about looking like Brad Pitt, its just about making an effort. Then you can open up the way to conversation and show her that nice, interesting guy that you are and not just interested in skipping you "your place or mine?"
One thing i learnt in sales is, the first 10 seconds are most likely to make the first impression almost everytime. The same thing applies to general conversing.

I havent been on the single scene for over a year until now...i think i've gotten rusty lol. Where are all the nice girls at?? I dont necessarily want a size 8 model, but i want to be attracted to them.
Do you just stop one you see on the train and give her your number? Is it an office girl at work? There really arent that many places to look any more unless you you're always looking ;) ...maybe i'm wrong.

XRated · 03-07-2006, 06:56 PM

I'm not alone!

A couple of quick observations (otherwise I'll write a damn novel on the subject):
--A lot of girls 16-early 20s really dig the try-hard morons who have no respect for women, elders, others etc. Don't have steady jobs, have lousy cars and drive like morons, no ambition, no culture, don't take pride in appearance, lack manners etc etc. I don't know why...
--I saw a girl a few months back and would pick her up and drop her home. She was totally amazed that I actually went up to her door and knocked. Apparently all the other guys would sit in their car and beep the horn.
--Another girl mentioned how I was a real "gentleman" for opening the door for her, or letting her through first - I was brought up that way but apparently it seems old-fashioned and rare???
--I dated my last ex for over five years (since I was 16) and most of my friends were astonished that I actually preferred relationships to one-night stands.

I could list many observations but I will spare you all!

Personally I'd rather meet a girl and get to know each other before advances are made, but I find most these days couldn't give two ****s about that.

I thought I was a traditionalist or something :S Thank God I'm not alone. Now where do we meet these ladies?

LTDHO · 03-07-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

I’m a single woman who is in her mid 20’s, I have a good job, a nice car, great friends & family, I have a stable job & I’m honest & upfront, I have no baggage & a great sense of humor but yet I find it harder & harder to meet a guy who wants to put in the effort to get to know me before he starts thinking below the belt.

Sorry, you don't exsist. This is purely a ficticious person.

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Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

What has happened to the days when guys asked girls out? When a guy picks a girl up from her house & drops her off without expecting something else? Are these days dead? What has happened to dating?

Due to the way the courts handle this, it can be turned into harrassment to easily.

If guys aren't doing it all for you, then you are meeting the wrong guys.

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Originally Posted by Darran

Whatever happened to opening a door for a lady, or pulling out her chair for her to have a seat??? Thats something I haven't seen someone do for a long while...
Common courtesy.... It has gone missing somewhere let me tell you...

Last time I did this, I was called 'sexist'.

I can't win...

Where are the decent women gone?

gtfpv · 03-07-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

Im a little sceptical of meeting girls in clubs, and i dont actually have that many female friends. I am a friendly outgoing guy by nature but just dont know where to look, or if to look at all.
I like to have nice clothes, be cleanly groomed and wear smelly stuff a) because i like to and b) i like to make a good impression...yes it's shallow but you're more likely to make a good impression because sight and scent are two very important things.. and its not about looking like Brad Pitt, its just about making an effort. Then you can open up the way to conversation and show her that nice, interesting guy that you are and not just interested in skipping you "your place or mine?"
One thing i learnt in sales is, the first 10 seconds are most likely to make the first impression almost everytime. The same thing applies to general conversing.

I havent been on the single scene for over a year until now...i think i've gotten rusty lol. Where are all the nice girls at?? I dont necessarily want a size 8 model, but i want to be attracted to them.
Do you just stop one you see on the train and give her your number? Is it an office girl at work? There really arent that many places to look any more unless you you're always looking ;) ...maybe i'm wrong.

JUST DONT WHISTLE AT ONE you could end up with a slap in the face, a law suit, the sack . or bashed up by the boyfriend . discrimination action taken against you. unless you think she is a goer. perhaps this may answer a lot of questions.

XRQTOR · 03-07-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Beaver

Ok I see alot of you guys saying that women dont want nice guys.. Then why is it that the vast majority of nice women who are decent in looks but carry an extra bit of weight and I am talking about the ones who are size 16 to 18 are not good enough for most of you. The vast majority of blokes that advertise in those so called dating things all ask for slim attractive and always ask for younger women.. So why is this. We women do not mind our blokes not having a six pack but most man complain if their women carry an extra kilo or two. Come on most of the nice girls are not model thin and most do not have drop dead looks. The vast majority of Aussie women range in size from 14 to 18 but we dont get a look in when it comes to dating. I am speaking from past experience of being a size 16. Oh and I have also been a size 8 as well so I have walked both sides of the street so to speak and I had more dates when I was aneroxic and guant looking then I did when I actually had more for you guys to hold onto, so to speak.

Alittle off topic but some advice would be great, one of my closest friends who iv'e know since we were kids thinks she's fat because she put on 9k's since chrismas. She's hot and the furthest thing from it, no matter how much i tell her she still thinks that way although she knows i tell it how i see it. If she was fat i'd tell her, she was way to thin before but still doesn't have an ounce of fat on her.

gtfpv · 03-07-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Alittle off topic but some advice would be great, one of my closest friends who iv'e know since we were kids thinks she's fat because she put on 9k's since chrismas. She's hot and the furthest thing from it, no matter how much i tell her she still thinks that way although she knows i tell it how i see it. If she was fat i'd tell her, she was way to thin before but still doesn't have an ounce of fat on her.

i've known my wife for 14 years and she is the same .

BlueXr8 · 03-07-2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

Do you just stop one you see on the train and give her your number? Is it an office girl at work? There really arent that many places to look any more unless you you're always looking ;) ...maybe i'm wrong.

YES give a smile make eye contact look at her (make sure you get caught then look away repeat till you catch her doing the same) walk up to her before you/she gets off have ur number writen down on a peice of paper smile hand it to her walk away say nothing else if she like what she see's she will call you if not try someone else

im not single but ill tell you this chicks from work are the easeist (in all aspects ie. to talk to what you doing this weekend or try flirting its good fun single or not i do it, keeps you on your toes for when you break up with your current as long as you dont go through with anything and look but dont touch its not cheating and keeps you upto date also lets you know you still got what it takes) i have been with 3 chicks from work, i have been with my current for 6 months now and couldnt ask for more on thing i find is the most inportant is confidence chicks love it and sweet talk ie. you have gorjuz eyes etc even if they dont they like to think you notice these things.

Those complaining its hard to go talk to girls at club when they are with thier friens GOD DAMN IT GROW SOME FUC KING BALLS YOU GOT EM FOR A REASON USE THEM and be confident.

i may only be 18 however i been doing this for almost 6 years i was kissing girls since i was in grade 1 im not the best looking bloke in the world but i anit bad go out buy yourself a $300-400 outfit get the ladies at the store to help you out. Dress like your the most inportant person in the room and act like it to WITHOUT acting like a total JERK.

i only date older women no questions asked most of the people i am/have been with are between a 8-10 i guess however my girl friends sister is a 12 or so not sure she has got a bit of coushin for some pushing a larger A$$ but a gorjuz face and good damn when she dress up a little i think to my self only if i was a little older i would hit that all day long.

so to all guys:
1. be confident
2. spend the money on looking good ie clothes, aftershave (echo by davadoff is good most ladies love it) who cares if it cost $160 for a shirt thats what it cost these days to look good DONT BE A TIGHT AR$E i recommned going to Chapps, Chaddy, or any Politix store for that matter
3.those balls you got FUC KING USE'EM AND BE A MAN NOT A MOUSE

if any of you have any questions or flaming do so coz i would like to hear it however those who wanna flame try what im saying and see if it works

END RANT

gtfpv · 03-07-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueXr8

YES give a smile make eye contact look at her (make sure you get caught then look away repeat till you catch her doing the same) walk up to her before you/she gets off have ur number writen down on a peice of paper smile hand it to her walk away say nothing else if she like what she see's she will call you if not try someone else

im not single but ill tell you this chicks from work are the easeist (in all aspects ie. to talk to what you doing this weekend or try flirting its good fun single or not i do it, keeps you on your toes for when you break up with your current as long as you dont go through with anything and look but dont touch its not cheating and keeps you upto date also lets you know you still got what it takes) i have been with 3 chicks from work, i have been with my current for 6 months now and couldnt ask for more on thing i find is the most inportant is confidence chicks love it and sweet talk ie. you have gorjuz eyes etc even if they dont they like to think you notice these things.

Those complaining its hard to go talk to girls at club when they are with thier friens GOD DAMN IT GROW SOME FUC KING BALLS YOU GOT EM FOR A REASON USE THEM and be confident.

i may only be 18 however i been doing this for almost 6 years i was kissing girls since i was in grade 1 im not the best looking bloke in the world but i anit bad go out buy yourself a $300-400 outfit get the ladies at the store to help you out. Dress like your the most inportant person in the room and act like it to WITHOUT acting like a total JERK.

i only date older women no questions asked most of the people i am/have been with are between a 8-10 i guess however my girl friends sister is a 12 or so not sure she has got a bit of coushin for some pushing a larger A$$ but a gorjuz face and good damn when she dress up a little i think to my self only if i was a little older i would hit that all day long.

so to all guys:
1. be confident
2. spend the money on looking good ie clothes, aftershave (echo by davadoff is good most ladies love it) who cares if it cost $160 for a shirt thats what it cost these days to look good DONT BE A TIGHT AR$E i recommned going to Chapps, Chaddy, or any Politix store for that matter
3.those balls you got FUC KING USE'EM AND BE A MAN NOT A MOUSE

if any of you have any questions or flaming do so coz i would like to hear it however those who wanna flame try what im saying and see if it works

END RANT

i always thought i might have a stray son out there to one of the older women i dated in my teens . hahaha. nice one.

BlueXr8 · 03-07-2006, 07:33 PM

also if any of you need to be taken out and given a helping hand i will or if you need help with a women pm me even for tips on where to go and what to wear just ask my friends call me Hitch as a joke coz im good with women lol

nothing i cant stand more than guys that windge that they cant get a girl everyone can get that hot chick that you see and think i wish i could take that home you can, you got to have faith..... oh yer and style

HSE2 · 03-07-2006, 07:40 PM

The last date I went on basically ended with, "you are a really nice guy, too nice"

Didn't know that was possible. Never again. Not worth it.

MaxinBlack · 03-07-2006, 07:47 PM

Ok I pressed the button too many times!

MaxinBlack · 03-07-2006, 07:48 PM

Do you just stop one you see on the train and give her your number?

I travelled on the train for 5 years and never ever got a number. I would have been pretty impressed.

I don't think you should pee in your own pond with the work thing.

It's good to hear some of the younger girls have similar issues. I'm very early 30s, I work in a bar, play several sports and nothing - nope - zero nothing. Girl next door and great mate I always end up being.

I hate going to the pub and being groped even before I have a beverage in my hand. After 8 years I was traded in for a 21 year old... oh joy oh joy...
but I refuse to get prissied up and be mutton dressed as lamb and yet unless you do that you don't seem to get noticed.

I am curious as to what the actual definition of a "date" is... cause if it is that where the male invites, books, pays and picks you up then I've never been on one. My ex used to break down the bill to the exact cent... it was like going out with George bloody Kostanza!

MaxinBlack · 03-07-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

I met my wife when she approached me in a pub and asked for my number.

I've asked blokes to move out of the way of the big screen TV when the footy or cricket is on... it doesn't seem to have the same effect for some reason....

XRQTOR · 03-07-2006, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MaxinBlack

I am curious as to what the actual definition of a "date" is... cause if it is that where the male invites, books, pays and picks you up then I've never been on one. My ex used to break down the bill to the exact cent... it was like going out with George bloody Kostanza!

Thats tight. If i go out with mates we take turns paying, if i take a female out even if she's a friend i pay.

Van D · 03-07-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Darran

Whatever happened to opening a door for a lady, or pulling out her chair for her to have a seat??? Thats something I haven't seen someone do for a long while...
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The chicks got peeved off and said they don't need men to open a door for them.

Seriously.. It's happened to me more than once. Even when there's absolutely nothing sexual etc involved (ie, at school/shopping centre) i've opened the door and let women go first and they have either grumbled, greased me, or said something along the lines of 'I don't need a man to open a door, I can do that myself'.. Well screw you, I was just taught good manners :jab:

Anywho, back on topic.

MaxinBlack · 03-07-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Thats tight. If i go out with mates we take turns paying, if i take a female out even if she's a friend i pay.

Yup tight as a fishes bum.

I'd be happy to return a shout including a feed with mate or dare I say date.

vztrt · 03-07-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

I’ve been lurking around this site for ages but felt the need to sign up & post what my thoughts are in regards to dating in 2006 for us ladies, considering the majority of the population of this site are males, I’d like to know what you think about the following.

I’ve been on a few dates recently & I must say, I’m pretty disappointed about the effort or lack there of that is displayed by men these days.

I’m a single woman who is in her mid 20’s, I have a good job, a nice car, great friends & family, I have a stable job & I’m honest & upfront, I have no baggage & a great sense of humor but yet I find it harder & harder to meet a guy who wants to put in the effort to get to know me before he starts thinking below the belt.

What has happened to the days when guys asked girls out? When a guy picks a girl up from her house & drops her off without expecting something else? Are these days dead? What has happened to dating?

I think it would be nice for a guy to put some effort in. And when I say effort I mean, nice clean clothes, a shave, aftershave or cologne, deodorant (this should not be an effort but surprisingly to some it is). Is this asking too much? I don’t think so because I’m sure if a girl turned up to a date without any deodorant on the guy would be doing a runner in no time.

I’ve also noticed a rapid decrease in guys having the guts to ask a girl out, who gives a rats if you get rejected, at least you’re giving it a go, 9 times out of 10 I’m sure the girl will be flattered & say yes. If it doesn’t work out, don’t dismiss the girl, she might have a friend who is ideal for you. I have set up many friends, that have turned into long term relationships or marriages but if a guy acts like a jerk or treats me disrespectfully there’s no way I’d want to set him up with someone else.

So single guys out there, please shed some light on what your thoughts are on what I’ve said, because I’m rapidly starting to think that there are no decent single gentlemen out there anymore. And before anyone says I’m after a metrosexual, no that is not what I want, I just want a guy who thinks that its worth a little extra effort to impress a girl.

Ok rule one dont go to a club to try find a decent guy. I would never hook up with a girl at a club and think she could be the one. All the ones I know that go there are for one thing (taken or single).

So where do you go? I haven't a clue, I cant find a decent girl as the ones I seem to meet a not really worth the time or the effort. Others are nice but I dont find them attractive, but I dont stuff em around and I'm honest.

I found the fact that guys dont go to the door (or even worse make the girl meet them half way) beyond belief. I never thought this was done until my previous ex was so amazed that I would pick her up and drop her off. Are petrol prices really that high??

Ok lack of personal hygiene is beyond excuse for anyone, you should always be on guard.

Asking girls out can be daunting, but if you like her give it a go. You didn't have her at the start so what are you losing (but I understand it's not that easy). Oh and girls some guys really struggle to take a hint so you really need to be obvious. Best one I've seen is the bump into hard or even the slight drink spill.

But you'll find the right person when you least expect it.