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Meh bubble wrap society. The laws have been implemented for a while now and have they achieved anything?
I drove a WRX on my P plates and it never did me any harm, in fact my car was and is much safer than what most P platers get around in |
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They would remember the majority, yes, especially all Falcons/ Commodores. But it's those 'iffy' cars that aren't as common, like old Japanese turbo's or something, as an example. Or any grey/ black imports which aren't on the list because they were never sold here. Who's to say they can't just up the boost through a tune, and alot of people don't pay attention to the 'can't modify' rule. How many guys have an exhaust and intake on the Falcon or Commodore? Alot. Just my opinion ![]()
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I don't know any P platers that drive around in grey/black imports and you'd have to agree if they were never sold here then what are the chances that a P plater would be able to source and afford one to drive around in Aus? I'm not to familiar with jap crap or anything that relates to it, but it isn't my job to be. If a power to weight formula was introduced regarding driving high powered vehicles whilst on P plates you can guarantee that being there job, the police would be on top of what's what. They'd have to be. |
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If Jonny Falcodore sees his mate in a 200sx thats smokes everything, I'm sure if he could he'd try and do the same, and the system grows. But regardless, yes the police would be all over them, and most p-platers wouldn't be able to fund them anyway. And to get on topic- No I don't think p-platers should be in V8's, just buy a 6 nd wait.
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I wouldn't just limit that to those of teenage years.... Plenty of people must still be teenagers at heart (head?)
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I have an XB sedan with 4 wheel discs and an AU wagon... I can safely say the XB (XF calipers on front) takes more to slow down then my wagon if you were jump on the anchors.
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I'm a P-Plater and I agree with some of the arguments presented on this thread.
ALL I had to spend was $3000 for my first car and I bought it not to long ago, (1992 EB II Falcon GLi) it's a damn good car with a almost brand new ed xr6 Long motor and other nice things. I didn't have more because I coulnd't afford more, I barely can work because of uni and previously, year 12, and the money I did have, WASN'T spent on Drugs, booze or ciggies. I have never smoked or done any illicit drugs in my entire 18 years on this planet, and never spend my own money on alcohol, yet alone drink maybe 1 or 2 beers every couple of months or so. Yes I could've bought a smaller Excel or whatever, but I wanted a car that I can hop in everyday, and bring a smile to my face, because lets face it, we spend half our time driving, and half our time living, if you don't have a car you are proud to own, whether it be a Commodore (Sorry Strongly opinionated AFF members) or a Nissan Micra, then you are depressing yourself! Anyway -> I agree with the Power to Weight Ratio, perfectly reasonable policy that enables inexperienced drivers to start somewhat on a lower level. I do NOT agree with banning all V8's, I mean, I do not need one ever, I can't afford to drive one, but for the other people, like my best mate, who's mum only owns a 2004 Land Rover Discovery V8 is very unfortunate because he isn't allowed to drive it when he gets his P's. If he crashed that, I doubt he would even feel a bump, it has ESC, ABS, tonnes of airbags and all those other goodies. I also do get very disappointed at the current P-Plate reputation, I understand with some of the seasoned drivers on here that you do see a lot of the glaring Red and Green P's doing stupid crap on the road, but next time you see someone doing that, just feel sorry for them. Because they cannot adhere to the simplest of rules. Also, to the person whom commented on us only wanting to get to the front of peak hour traffic etc, I do that, I do it safely though, and tell me this, what FULLY licensed driver doesn't do the same? When we have places to be, we like to get there on time, safely. My way is to weave through traffic, ONLY after a brief examination of the current road conditions and my surroundings before moving my car left or right through lanes. I am obviously inexperienced in ways on the road, but my Nan was a driving instructor for 35 years and she has taught me a lot, I also do know how to drive defensively and get myself out of a dangerous situation, just as good as any experienced driver. In summary, just because some idiot P-Platers/drivers thinking it's funny to do 180 in a 60 zone get killed, doesn't mean that every other person wants to do that, just feel sorry that their inability to follow the regulations of the road has gotten them killed, because if a Tradie at work forgets to do something related to OH&S and gets killed, doesn't mean ALL tradies are going to do that. (Pretty bad analogy I know, but all I could think of at the present moment) And to give some light to OP, here in Vic, I was talking to someone at Uni and apparently their friend was allowed to drive some Mercedes Turbo on an exception because it was their recently late mothers car, not sure if it's true but if it is, it'll be one safe car! |
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Yeah I know what you mean, it sort of came out wrong, I wasn't intending to come off as over confident, I've just been in way too many hairy situations driving to the city and around so I have a beginning instinct on how to react (: I really do look forward to actually passing my P's and being able to experience large v8's and ridiculous turbos etc, but I'll save the enjoyment for the track ![]() |
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We're both happy we're alive without serious injury, had it been head on or I swerved the other way and hit the trees we'd both be dead no doubt. 5Km/h faster and he would have come out behind me I reckon. My car had 847km on the clock too lol. Then again today something similar nearly happened on the same freakin' road going home, someone decided to go from emergency lane and u-turn onto the grass onto the other side of the freeway, the on coming traffic just missed t-boning them by a bees dick. Speed kills, but u-turns across freeways don't must be the logic here. On the whole old cars thing, Dad's old EA, we where going down Mt Macedon and the pedal dropped to the floor, oops. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 11-03-2011 at 05:48 PM. |
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a) causes accidents. b) raises your stress levels. c) annoys other road users. d) causes the flow of traffic to slow even more. e) rarely gets you to your destination faster. If I had a dollar for every clown I've passed who has spent the last 4kms continually changing lanes while I stayed in a single lane, I'd be able to retire. It certainly isn't confined to P platers though, plenty of full licenced drivers also engage in it. |
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Using a poorly maintained car and lumping it with "old cars" is just silly. Also it is common sense to be engine braking on a large decent, or you will boil the brake fluid in almost any car. |
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I used my brakes on my Fiesta going up and down the same mountain, no issues. Modern cars also use DOT4 instead of the old DOT3 which has a lower boiling point. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 11-03-2011 at 07:24 PM. |
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there is an easy solution to the power to weight problem any car that does not comply with P plate restrictions would have a madatory label on the number plate ( like the LPG diamond ) it would only take 12 months to fully implement as it could be part of the re registration process. P plates and label = pull over driver , with label would be on all non complying cars not just those belonging to P platers
this would remove any grey area for the police and remove any ignorance pleas from drivers. after the 12 month phase in period any car with the lable missing would get booked
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I don't think all the fully licensed drivers would like a sticker on there number plate just to show the police that a P plater can't drive it.
My suggestion is have all the cars illegal to drive by P platers in a database the police can look at in there vehicles. Now in saying this there probably not going to get every single car made by every single company, but atleast all the well known ones. |
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I got a good idea, anything with a power to weight ratio of 120KW/Tonne comes under a separate license category, want to drive something powerful? Sit the test, for everyone.
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this idea also has merit
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Ok so I know turbo diesels are exempted on nsw p plate laws. But are V8 diesels exempt? |
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I'm not sure in NSW but in Victoria anything 8 cylinder is banned including diesel, I remember vageuly in another state they showed that a V12TD Audi was OK to drive, not sure if it was NSW. Quote:
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