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we can't go out and buy new cars because we are all hocked up to the hilt on credit cards : http://australia.creditcards.com/cre...-card-debt.php
we as a nation simply cannot afford to purchase a new car right now, hell if I could afford one I would be in there banging my fist on the desk and asking for a s/c GT yesterday, but like everybody else I have too much debt to do so, things will improve once the people of this nation pay down our debt and discover we have the money to buy things like cars, I just hope Ford can hold on until the nation has reduced its debt. The Falcon could be the greatest car in the universe but if nobody has the money to purchase it it will surely fail. Falcon is too vulnerable to market forces within Australia exporting would reduce its vulnerabilities to these forces. Why don't they export it again ![]()
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Theres no reason for the 3 local manufacturers to have lower percentages of sales than the other full importers (as the locals also import), aside from the fact that the locally made cars, are causing alot of troubles when it comes to flexibility in pricing. Holden (70% of cars sold, made locally now), will be bleeding money, And by all accounts, Toyota exports/production will be way down this year. |
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In fact, is anyone here buying a new car or knows someone who is? If so, what are you looking at and why?
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I think most people would be in this position as well. They'd like a new car but the big boys ard too expensive and small/medium cars are now proper alternatives. The only people I know who are looking for new cars are considering medium size. I'm not doing it tough, but if the buffer in the household budget is gobbled up by car repayments I'd be in trouble if the shizz hit the fan. |
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actually comes from a new and very much improved RWD Territory, with 10.6 l/100 km the I-6 version offers similar economy as FG1 5-speeder and diesel is on another plane of existence... Could Territory become the dominant make, leaving Falcon to become something else... |
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But even if it attains what the market leader got in medium SUV last year, then its only going to go to about 16500 sales a year (and that will be about 40% up on Territory 2010 sales). It may sound like a half decent amount, but it still only means 75 units a day for 220 days a year, out of the factory. Add that to a 2000 a month Falcon and all you need is 175 cars a day. Even with best case scenarios (and I mean without over zealous "I'm a Ford Fan optimist"), Ford are still going to have to either slow down the production line on a more prolonged basis, Have more down days to the detriment of the work force, or bite the bullet and make redundancies. |
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yes those poor old 4-speed auto BF engined relics still managed to pull down 80% of customers. Could Ford have shot themselves in the foot any worse? Next Territory is promising a huge lift in sales and I think Ford will get it becaue back when Territory was first released, it was pulling down over 2,000 sales a month. It is entirely possible for a vehicles like Territory to do that again with PROPER MARKETING......(...ughh.. ![]() |
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The RWD I-6 economy is similar to FG with 5-speed auto. Not the best but still impressive for a big vehicle. |
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I was reading in the paper today ford made the biggest profit that they've ever made in 10 years and alan got a big fat bonus out of it and Australia is a small market share for ford i doubt there that interested in it to be honest there selling more cars in america then ever and the rest of the world if the falcon was to die or become a low selling luxury car big whoop u could still buy one its just everybody else would be buying smaller cars.
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I love the Falcon, and if I won Tattslotto tomorrow I would go out and buy a G6E Turbo with no hesitations. But when reality sets in, there is no need for me to purchase a big thirsty luxury sports vehicle when in all honesty, an Aussie built Cruze will still lug my family around safely for half the purchase price and nearly 2/3rds the fuel use. That is where Ford need to find where the Falcon sits in terms of practicality and market the hell out of it.........
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Globes you cannot really base any rational explanation off whats in this thread....and here you are as a ford employee saying you would be happy with a Cruze? Whats wrong with the Focus?
Yes the Cruze does A to B...but it wont be as practical as a falcon. It seems your only issue with the Falcon is its FE...there are THREE new engines coming out that are installed for that very reason...Ford are just late on the scene and thats what is hurting now. I agree with Barra, the next few months will be hard, and even when the Diesel Terry is out its going to take a month of sales to get things ramped up...so your looking at June before things are back to normal..in theory. Then I4T and LPG come online and things should be sweet, if not then we are in trouble.
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One of the reasons people aren't buying is trade in prices.I have been flamed for this before. But I have 2007 BF MK2 Ghia and enquired about trading it in on a Mondeo MC Titanium Hatch/G6E. I rolled out the door laughing at the trade in price offered. I was offered $15k !!!!!!! car is in mint condition, Ford serviced and 70,000kms.No sale happened. Holden offered $17k and dealer said " cann't match that"..
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A new Territory Titanium and hoping for an XR8 return, if not that then maybe the new Global Focus when it arrives. Why? Territory - for the family run-about. We love to get away, I want to be able to put the kids in the car with comfort, load her up and away we go. The same practicalities are essentially available in a Falcon too. Surely there are other people out there with the same interests and enjoying life on the outside? Surely there's more to life that commuting back and forth to work and doodling around the suburbs and CBD in a pussy Prius? That's why I always thought there'd be a need for the large Aussie sedan/SUV in Aus.. Second car is for me... doesn't need to be as practical but my kids are young, so there is a need for me to be able to accommodate them if need be. A few years ago, I would not have looked at anything else other than Falcon sedan, now i'm more open to options, but they are still Ford. p.s Ford are offering unbelievable lease rates to employees... no i can't one them on lease, but if that's not incentive for staff to get into a Ford, then #$%^%... |
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