1200 ford workers to be stood down without pay tonight - Page 6

4Vman · 29-08-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Making the parents accountable for their childrens behaviour is a good place to start.

That's a whole massive can of worms that one... but very true.

Bossxr8 · 29-08-2007, 06:20 PM

Seems like it still may not be resolved. Venture finally promised to give the workers their rightful entitlements, but because they have reneged on so many deals before the workers wanted Venture to sign a gaurantee. Venture refused to sign it, so the workers won't go back to work until they have. Seems like Venture only agreed to the terms to trick the workers to return to work so they could backflip on it later, which they have done numerous times in the past by agreeing to things they have no intention of delivering on.

4Vman · 29-08-2007, 06:20 PM

This From Ford:

"FORD Australia claims it is losing $11 million a
day as its production lines lie idle while workers
at a leading supplier continue strike action."

So Far its cost just Ford alone $55 million.... and this strike has got nothing to do with Ford.

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Bossxr8 · 29-08-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

This From Ford:

"FORD Australia claims it is losing $11 million a
day as its production lines lie idle while workers
at a leading supplier continue strike action."

So Far its cost just Ford alone $55 million.... and this strike has got nothing to do with Ford.

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Considering all the down days they are having the will just cancel them and make them full production days to pick up the slack.

4Vman · 29-08-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Considering all the down days they are having the will just cancel them and make them full production days to pick up the slack.

Cancel what? the $55 mil is gone.... its not a mater of just picking up the slack to meet orders, while the strike is on and Ford cant produce cars they're still paying all the fixed costs.. you can't get that money back, that is unless you bump up the price of cars to cover it, and guess what, i bet Ford do that, so at the end of the day you and i as consumers will inadvertantly pay for this in some way..

Also what about all the other suppliers to Ford who cant sell parts to Ford? this hurts them too. They loose from this too.

I also bet relationships between Ford and Ventura are very strained.... If i was Ford id make sure they have a secondary alternative supplier for all components where possible so if this happens again they can just go elsewhere..

vztrt · 29-08-2007, 07:14 PM

The down days would cost just as much...well actually more since they have to pay the workers 60% of they're usual pay.

Also apparently Ford still have a 51% steak in the plastics division, but when they sold the 49% to Venture they made them deal with the workers entitlements. Mind you I have no proof so this can be BS.

irlewy86 · 29-08-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I also bet relationships between Ford and Ventura are very strained.... If i was Ford id make sure they have a secondary alternative supplier for all components where possible so if this happens again they can just go elsewhere..

And lose the ecconomy of scale of maintaining minnimum suppliers. Much more costly than 5 days down time, unfortunately.

4Vman · 29-08-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by irlewy86

And lose the ecconomy of scale of maintaining minnimum suppliers. Much more costly than 5 days down time, unfortunately.

Valid point, i guess it depends on where the efficiency break occurs.. im sure Ford would know all this though...

**Fordman1** · 29-08-2007, 08:34 PM

It looks like Venture won't be back at work tomorrow. FoA are bleeding with all of these supplier issues !

SPK-250 · 30-08-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

It looks like Venture won't be back at work tomorrow. FoA are bleeding with all of these supplier issues !

Apparently their boss in South Efrica has to sign the return to work agreement so i'd say Monday they will.

metalmania · 30-08-2007, 02:00 AM

Well thats what happens when you work with the "JUST IN TIME" system.Go back to storing your parts and the industrial action will run out of puff before you run out of parts.

ClevlndStemer · 30-08-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by metalmania

Well thats what happens when you work with the "JUST IN TIME" system.Go back to storing your parts and the industrial action will run out of puff before you run out of parts.

Yes and no, the overall benefit of having a JIT system outweighs the benefit of stored parts. Imagine Ford using the stored parts system since the inception of the BA through to BF2, boy there would be a few parts lying around, too many i would imagine because of the lack of sales. IMO Ford should begin thinking about importation of parts, these industrial actions are crippling its productivity and as business Ford need to run to survive. If that means sourcing parts from somewhere reliable then so be it. Goodluck Ford.

4Vman · 30-08-2007, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevlndStemer

Yes and no, the overall benefit of having a JIT system outweighs the benefit of stored parts. Imagine Ford using the stored parts system since the inception of the BA through to BF2, boy there would be a few parts lying around, too many i would imagine because of the lack of sales. IMO Ford should begin thinking about importation of parts, these industrial actions are crippling its productivity and as business Ford need to run to survive. If that means sourcing parts from somewhere reliable then so be it. Goodluck Ford.

Yes, JIT allows running changes to be implemented quickly, it also allows manufacturers to have minimal stock holdings (i.e cash tied up in stock), and also the risk of being caught with excess redundant stock.
As you've pointed out too there's the real risk that when industrial action like this cripples the customers business, it may force them to look elsewhere/OS to source their parts..

The Stylist · 30-08-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SPK-383

Apparently their boss in South Efrica has to sign the return to work agreement so i'd say Monday they will.

Hopefully it's no later than Monday, this is being dragging out a bit.

**Full Noise** · 30-08-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Yes, JIT allows running changes to be implemented quickly, it also allows manufacturers to have minimal stock holdings (i.e cash tied up in stock), and also the risk of being caught with excess redundant stock.

It also allows them to pass the buck and penalise transport operators for delays that are beyond their control, although, I’m sure that you already knew that.

4Vman · 30-08-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

It also allows them to pass the buck and penalise transport operators for delays that are beyond their control, although, I’m sure that you already knew that.

You mean hold suppliers accountable for "in full on time" delivery? which also forces them to run deadline focused, efficient and productive businesses.
I cant see anything wrong with that, at the end of the day the customer suffers the most if their car is late... if the customer is unhappy they go elsewhere.

**Full Noise** · 30-08-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

You mean hold suppliers accountable for "in full on time" delivery? which also forces them to run deadline focused, efficient and productive businesses.
I cant see anything wrong with that, at the end of the day the customer suffers the most if their car is late... if the customer is unhappy they go elsewhere.

No. I don’t mean holding suppliers accountable, and I don’t need you to tell me what I mean, sweetheart.
I’m pretty sure that I said this…

Read it s l o w l y.

It also allows them to pass the buck and penalise transport operators for delays that are beyond their control, although, I’m sure that you already knew that.

ClevlndStemer · 30-08-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

It also allows them to pass the buck and penalise transport operators for delays that are beyond their control, although, I’m sure that you already knew that.

I don't know how all this works but wouldn't the transport operators have some kind of contract with the supplier and Ford where by service level agreements are documented. These SLA's I assume include acceptable delivery times with any extended times given before penalties are applied? If so then it would be up to the transport operator to ensure that delivery times are met.

4Vman · 30-08-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevlndStemer

I don't know how all this works but wouldn't the transport operators have some kind of contract with the supplier and Ford where by service level agreements are documented. These SLA's I assume include acceptable delivery times with any extended times given before penalties are applied? If so then it would be up to the transport operator to ensure that delivery times are met.

The smart ones would id imagine. In any event Ventura is next door to Ford, you could literally throw the bars over the fence!!

Not sure how transport opperators got dragged into this... any reason to beat the drum i guess.

SPK-250 · 30-08-2007, 01:16 PM

This strike reminds me of one we had at Walkers about 3-4 years ago over Redundancy entitlements. As per EBA agreement, Walkers was supposed to put money aside into a special account for if the company ever went belly up everyone would get some sort of severance. Some of you may remember, It went for 11 days!!!

**Full Noise** · 30-08-2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevlndStemer

I don't know how all this works but wouldn't the transport operators have some kind of contract with the supplier and Ford where by service level agreements are documented. These SLA's I assume include acceptable delivery times with any extended times given before penalties are applied? If so then it would be up to the transport operator to ensure that delivery times are met.

The point being is when it’s beyond their control. Like when some nutter decided to sit in a van with a gun at the Shell servo on the West Gate freeway and the city came to a halt for seven hours or when a serious accident closes a major highway. These types of things.

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

In any event Ventura is next door to Ford, you could literally throw the bars over the fence!!

Aren’t you looking for a new job soon? You could apply for the position of bumper bar thrower. With your body building skills, you’d almost be a walk up start, Bro.

4Vman · 30-08-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

Aren’t you looking for a new job soon? You could apply for the position of bumper bar thrower. With your body building skills, you’d almost be a walk up start, Bro.

sorry "bro", im well and truely employed!

ClevlndStemer · 30-08-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

The point being is when it’s beyond their control. Like when some nutter decided to sit in a van with a gun at the Shell servo on the West Gate freeway and the city came to a halt for seven hours or when a serious accident closes a major highway. These types of things.

In special circumstances like that I would assume that a smart salesman who would negotiate such a contract would have special considerations in case of these events ocurring.

Bossxr8 · 30-08-2007, 06:12 PM

Always baffles me why Ford seems to be the only ones affected in these things when the suppliers also do work for Holden and Toyota. Ford always shut down first while the others usually keep working until the strike ends. Last year when one supplier went down Holden were shut for one day while Ford was down for 3 or 4. Are they running leaner than the others?

SPK-250 · 30-08-2007, 06:14 PM

Apparently Ford go back Tuesday, so Venture must be back Monday or Tuesday too.

vztrt · 30-08-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevlndStemer

I don't know how all this works but wouldn't the transport operators have some kind of contract with the supplier and Ford where by service level agreements are documented. These SLA's I assume include acceptable delivery times with any extended times given before penalties are applied? If so then it would be up to the transport operator to ensure that delivery times are met.

Local suppliers are normally quite good with delivery's, its normally broken down trucks or machine probs at the other end. Also Ford does have a little excess stock to make sure they can keep running in case of a delay or they send someone out with a ute to get items that are small.

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

The smart ones would id imagine. In any event Ventura is next door to Ford, you could literally throw the bars over the fence!!

Not sure how transport opperators got dragged into this... any reason to beat the drum i guess.

Ventures biggest problem is when something breaks down inside the plant. But they do deliver three times a day. The other good thing is alot of suppliers have moved closer to Ford so that they can be more efficient in deliveries. The ones that have caused bigger headaches have been imported parts. I remember when a shipment of wheels from china was almost two weeks late and that caused alot of re-work and o/t for ford. When they cut o/t down by 50%.

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Always baffles me why Ford seems to be the only ones affected in these things when the suppliers also do work for Holden and Toyota. Ford always shut down first while the others usually keep working until the strike ends. Last year when one supplier went down Holden were shut for one day while Ford was down for 3 or 4. Are they running leaner than the others?

Well the two big ones last year were Empire rubber and Ajax. Problem is Ford was buying more items from them then the other manufactures hence why Ford bailed both companies out. I believe Holden already had items coming in from china.

mik · 30-08-2007, 11:22 PM

Ford spokesman Edward Finn said steps were being taken to restart production now that work had restarted at Venture.

"We need to get continuity of supply from them (Venture), which we expect to come through tomorrow," Mr Finn said.

"We're in the process of advising employees and suppliers that we will be resuming manufacturing on Monday at 11pm."
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