The ETS (Extra Tax Scheme) has been DEFEATED

[ltd]

Look to around September for the date of the election; it's when all of the enquiries are supposed to have their findings made as well as numerous contractors on the BER alluding to work only up until September.

[Walt Kowalski]

A Rudd backflip but lets see how many media outlets describe it that way. I bet the ABC will not even mention it in the same program as the word "backflip"

The thing that concerns me is the inability of Australians to think issues through.

You watch the Government lie like crazy over the next few months

The Government will also speak in simple english in short grabs which anybody can understand and which media outlets love to play over and over.

Abbott on the other hand is more precise and complete in his statements but in the process many switch off and most only watch the news at most not the whole debate.

I learnt this when I was an advisor to a major/legendary Labor premier.

Its why I use lots of paragraphs. Any reader has comprehension time.

If Abbott loses this next election it will be because he continually thinks he is the alternative PM and has to raise all sorts of issues that he should shut up about - especially with a media whose journalists have been educated in left wing universities and needed to show left leanings to achieve the best results.

I realise it's Abbot's honest heart that causes him to do it but if he wants to be PM in this country he neeeds to understand that the population educated since Whitlam has been dumbed down and the rest of the population was educated overseas but mostly supports Labor anyway.

Then there's the generation that grew up on computer games and they tend to have a shorter attention span and cannot listen to or read his long winded dissertations but lap up Rudds 10 second grab

Rudd might be the dudd that I predicted before he was even elected to leadership of Labor but he speaks clearly and gets a message through.

You watch as he does this and gets re elected.

And don't get me on the fact that AUSTRALIA DOES NOT HAVE A DEMOCRACY. That issue is probably worth a whole thread on its own

[MO]

Democracy...democracy? No such animal its like the The Bunyip a myth.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by MO

Democracy...democracy? No such animal its like the The Bunyip a myth.

There’s an old saying…

If democracy worked, it would be made illegal.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Walt Kowalski

A Rudd backflip but lets see how many media outlets describe it that way. I bet the ABC will not even mention it in the same program as the word "backflip"

The thing that concerns me is the inability of Australians to think issues through.

You watch the Government lie like crazy over the next few months

The Government will also speak in simple english in short grabs which anybody can understand and which media outlets love to play over and over.

Abbott on the other hand is more precise and complete in his statements but in the process many switch off and most only watch the news at most not the whole debate.

I learnt this when I was an advisor to a major/legendary Labor premier.

Its why I use lots of paragraphs. Any reader has comprehension time.

If Abbott loses this next election it will be because he continually thinks he is the alternative PM and has to raise all sorts of issues that he should shut up about - especially with a media whose journalists have been educated in left wing universities and needed to show left leanings to achieve the best results.

I realise it's Abbot's honest heart that causes him to do it but if he wants to be PM in this country he neeeds to understand that the population educated since Whitlam has been dumbed down and the rest of the population was educated overseas but mostly supports Labor anyway.

Then there's the generation that grew up on computer games and they tend to have a shorter attention span and cannot listen to or read his long winded dissertations but lap up Rudds 10 second grab

Rudd might be the dudd that I predicted before he was even elected to leadership of Labor but he speaks clearly and gets a message through.

You watch as he does this and gets re elected.

And don't get me on the fact that AUSTRALIA DOES NOT HAVE A DEMOCRACY. That issue is probably worth a whole thread on its own

Sums it up nicely, well done.

[anto]

Well what do you know, maybe alll of us that wrote letters to our members did make a difference....unlikely but Id like to think it was the case . The fact that comrade Rudd has taken it off the table demonstrates how much of a negative issue it is for them come election time.
In true socialist fasion, they tried to ram it down our throats while noone was paying attention but luckily for us the opposition held firm and blocked its pasage until there could be some thoughtful public debate.
celebrate everyone ! for the people have spoken.
Now at election time lets finish the job or it will surely be rammed through first chance they get.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Walt Kowalski

And don't get me on the fact that AUSTRALIA DOES NOT HAVE A DEMOCRACY. That issue is probably worth a whole thread on its own

If I wanted a democracy, I'd go to Iran

[MAV50L]

I reckon the election will be called in the next few weeks. First tightening the rules on overseas home ownership , the hospital crap and now this.
He is going to do it soon and try and strike while the other guys are working out what to make of everything.
Here we go again............................

[snappy]

Originally Posted by rodderz

hahaha what a backflip, and he's blaming it on Abbott?

There's only 1 reason why he's backed off the ETS for the moment- it's because everyone has realised it's a crock of crap and it will cost him the election. It would of done nothing for the good of the environment, particularly when big businesses were getting subsidies or extra carbon credits for implementing a so called "green" program to their manufacturing, when all it really did was provide more money to expand their production and more pollution.

This is out there but i wonder if the golman and sachs fraud investigation has anything to do with the ets being put it in the storage closet. Afterall they had the leading hand in creation the scheme well not really australia's but globally it was there blueprint .

[cs123]

Originally Posted by snappy

This is out there but i wonder if the golman and sachs fraud investigation has anything to do with the ets being put it in the storage closet. Afterall they had the leading hand in creation the scheme well not really australia's but globally it was there blueprint .

You would have to say that anything those guys are involved in would be on the nose.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Walt Kowalski

A Rudd backflip but lets see how many media outlets describe it that way. I bet the ABC will not even mention it in the same program as the word "backflip"

I don't know about that. "Red" Kerry gave Penny a bit of a working over on the 7:30 report.

Originally Posted by Walt Kowalski

Then there's the generation that grew up on computer games and they tend to have a shorter attention span and cannot listen to or read his long winded dissertations but lap up Rudds 10 second grab

That's a recycled quote about the generation that grew up watching Sesame Street.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the electronic media that only reports in short sound bites. A successful PM controls the news cycle with easily digestible messages. You as an advisor to a politician would know this.

Rudd is just clearing the decks of all his disasters before calling an election.

[Walt Kowalski]

cs123:

I missed the 7.30 Report but would love to see it. Annoyed because normally IQ records it but there was a clash. I assume there is a link on the website? Will check.

No recycling though about the Playstation quote. Just simple observations. Anecdotal is not always irrelevant as many would have one believe.

And you are right. I do know what successful Pollies do. They have to work with the media they have and no one does that better than Rudd.

Obviously most electronic media reports in short sound bites but my point is Rudd uses the media to his advantage and Abbott less so.

Abbott needs to get smarter with his delivery if he wants to win although this afternoon he was actually doing so. Is he an AFF member? LOL Just kiddin'

His delivery about the Extra Tax on Cigarettes was a good one. Mentioning Rudd's addiction to waste in the same sentence as a smokers' addiction is exactly the sort of catchy thing Rudd normally does.

Good one Abbott. Sic 'em. All working families/taxpayers want less waste.

Rudd clearing the decks? Definitely. It's a shame he does not throw some of his rubbish Ministers from the decks completely overboard.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Walt Kowalski

cs123:

I missed the 7.30 Report but would love to see it. Annoyed because normally IQ records it but there was a clash. I assume there is a link on the website? Will check.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s2885204.htm

Penny Wong didn't quite know how to handle the double dissolution question.

[uranium_death]

Originally Posted by Walt Kowalski

Then there's the generation that grew up on computer games and they tend to have a shorter attention span and cannot listen to or read his long winded dissertations but lap up Rudds 10 second grab

Rudd might be the dudd that I predicted before he was even elected to leadership of Labor but he speaks clearly and gets a message through.

I grew up on PC games (started in 1990 before I turned 7), have a terrible attention span for lectures (after studying primary teaching for 4.5 years and also listening to your old man's lectures, it happens :P), and I also grew up on Sesame Street, and I have a fairly low opinion on Kevin Rudd.

However, with the kiddies who voted for the first time, I feel that may be relevant. I however feel it is for a number of reasons.

I see him as a media performer who prostitutes popular forms of media viewed by young people especially to appeal to a large number of people. He is very good at selling himself. He marketed Howard as an out-of-date fossil who had 'lost touch' and himself as the saviour to make Australia a world leader.

However, his inaction and inability to deliver on many of his marketing points is what makes even more unattractive.

I am glad the ETS did not pass because I am personally not convinced of the effects of global warming; at least not at the level that the media indulged in.
There are too many arguments from both sides and until I see undeniable evidence, I refuse to believe a boogeyman.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/you...-1225859621422

Read the comments by 'Isosceles Kramer'. I wrote it admittedly, but got a response of support from one of the editors of the Herald Sun.

I think Rudd wants to do the right thing, but he just doesn't know how to.

Or perhaps I have no idea what I'm on about...which is also a likely possibility.

[robbyg]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

I grew up on PC games (started in 1990 before I turned 7), have a terrible attention span for lectures (after studying primary teaching for 4.5 years and also listening to your old man's lectures, it happens :P), and I also grew up on Sesame Street, and I have a fairly low opinion on Kevin Rudd.

However, with the kiddies who voted for the first time, I feel that may be relevant. I however feel it is for a number of reasons.

I see him as a media performer who prostitutes popular forms of media viewed by young people especially to appeal to a large number of people. He is very good at selling himself. He marketed Howard as an out-of-date fossil who had 'lost touch' and himself as the saviour to make Australia a world leader.

However, his inaction and inability to deliver on many of his marketing points is what makes even more unattractive.

I am glad the ETS did not pass because I am personally not convinced of the effects of global warming; at least not at the level that the media indulged in.
There are too many arguments from both sides and until I see undeniable evidence, I refuse to believe a boogeyman.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/you...-1225859621422

Read the comments by 'Isosceles Kramer'. I wrote it admittedly, but got a response of support from one of the editors of the Herald Sun.

I think Rudd wants to do the right thing, but he just doesn't know how to.

Or perhaps I have no idea what I'm on about...which is also a likely possibility.

Na mate you do have some idea, you have hit the nail on the head, never hear him on sydney talkback, only the gay fm stations, whooing the younger people with his spin, to me the hand doesnt fit the glove, had enough of politics and smokin stuff tonight on the forum might have a look at some good old falcons