Qantas jet lands after part of engine falls off

[Yellow_Festiva]

Just heard on the wires that ALL RR 380 engines will be removed and serviced / modified then replaced.

This will cost whoever is paying big biccies......

I have flown the 380 several times now, and will fly it again in April next year back from Dubai. Looking fwd to it actually... hope it's all done and dusted by then.

[motomk]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I have flown the 380 several times now, and will fly it again in April next year back from Dubai. Looking fwd to it actually... hope it's all done and dusted by then.

If you are flying from Dubai, I dare say you are on Emirates. Their aircraft have the other engine, not the Rolls-Royce so haven't been grounded yet.

[max]

I'd rather fly in Captain John Travolta's 707.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by motomk

If you are flying from Dubai, I dare say you are on Emirates. Their aircraft have the other engine, not the Rolls-Royce so haven't been grounded yet.

Emirates would be correct. Didn't know specifics regarding engine choice for each carrier but thanks for that tit-bit of info

[Swordsman88]

Originally Posted by max

I'd rather fly in Captain John Travolta's 707.

NOt if you get one of those terribly dangerous go around events though...the media are all over that one too now. Probably becaue its a 'qantas' airacraft moreso then it includes JT the moviestar. Was watching the news on telly and apprently the bird injestion out of joburg as well as the lightning strike on a qantaslink 717 were listed under 'qantas safety scare 1+2' in the byline. Explain to me how those events have ANYTHING to do with qantas controlled maintenance. I mean a lightning strike FFS! Don't insurance companies call that stuff an 'act of god'...

[fg_nitro]

Originally Posted by flappist

I heard they were going to fit 4 coyotes with a flash and wider wheels......

S/C with boltons?

[fg_nitro]

Originally Posted by Xr6T_pilot

Attempted to drown #1 engine with water from fire truck, but did not work. 3 hrs after landing #1 engine still running.

If you watch the build videos from GE and RR you can see they are built to withstand water ingress

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faDWFwDy8-U


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=736O4Hz4Nk4

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by Swordsman88

NOt if you get one of those terribly dangerous go around events though...the media are all over that one too now. Probably becaue its a 'qantas' airacraft moreso then it includes JT the moviestar. Was watching the news on telly and apprently the bird injestion out of joburg as well as the lightning strike on a qantaslink 717 were listed under 'qantas safety scare 1+2' in the byline. Explain to me how those events have ANYTHING to do with qantas controlled maintenance. I mean a lightning strike FFS! Don't insurance companies call that stuff an 'act of god'...

It was an act of god.... an OFFSHORE God

[max]

Now the AFL have jumped ship (airship) to Virgin Blue!
My! Aren't we all getting the jitters!

[max]

Originally Posted by Swordsman88

NOt if you get one of those terribly dangerous go around events though...the media are all over that one too now. Probably becaue its a 'qantas' airacraft moreso then it includes JT the moviestar. Was watching the news on telly and apprently the bird injestion out of joburg as well as the lightning strike on a qantaslink 717 were listed under 'qantas safety scare 1+2' in the byline. Explain to me how those events have ANYTHING to do with qantas controlled maintenance. I mean a lightning strike FFS! Don't insurance companies call that stuff an 'act of god'...

I am certain Mr Travolta's aircraft was operated by a fully and appropriately credentialled crew. This crew with Mr Travolta, fly this impeccably presented Boeing 707 quite a lot all over the world as we all know. I doubt that there was any kind of gung-ho, cavalier or careless behaviour involved in this Melbourne incident. One only needs to read about Mr Travolta's lifelong enthusiasm and commitment to excellence in aviation to realise his attitude is beyond reproach! As you suggest, the media are making a meal out of this string of mishaps.

[Yellow_Festiva]

What I was referring to earlier:

Qantas says 14 A380 engines affected
18/11/2010 5:28:01 PM
Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce.

Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce says he expects to know within days how many of the airline's A380 Rolls Royce engines will need to be replaced before all six can return to service.

Mr Joyce said it was likely 14 engines would have to be swapped.

Rolls Royce has indicated about 40 A380 engines would have to be replaced worldwide, Mr Joyce said.

Mr Joyce made the comments after launching the airline's new domestic business service at Sydney Airport.

"Rolls Royce are still working through the criteria for which engines need to be changed," Mr Joyce told reporters on Thursday.

"We're hoping to understand in the near future precisely which engines need to be replaced and therefore have a firm timeline for when they will be back in the air, but we are still a few days away from that."

Airline capacity has been reduced by four per cent since Qantas grounded its six A380's on November 4, Mr Joyce said.

"We have taken about four to five per cent of capacity off by scaling down the size of aircraft," he said.

"So where A380s were planning to fly we've got 747s. Where 747s were planning to fly, in some parts of the network we've got 330s."

Qantas grounded its A380 fleet on November 4, after oil caught fire in one of the Rolls Royce Trent 900 engines on a flight over Indonesia, causing the motor to disintegrate and forcing the jetliner to return to Singapore.

Rolls Royce has revealed it made modifications to new A380 engines on the production line to stop oil leaks, but it had not done so to the engines on the Qantas A380 fleet.

"If this was significant, and was known to be significant, we would have liked to have known about that," Mr Joyce said.

"It doesn't look like it is a significant modification, but it is a modification that has an impact on how the engines are performing and it is a modification that indicates whether you are going to have a problem or not with the engine."

In normal circumstances, a modification made by an engine manufacturer would be retrofitted to each engine when it returned to the workshop for routine inspection and maintenance, Mr Joyce said.

"If this incident hadn't occurred, eventually all these engines would have had this modification," he said.

"Now because it is an indicator, we are not taking any risks.

"We're taking the engines off and making sure this modification is in place before the engines are put back on the aircraft."

Mr Joyce said Qantas was likely to seek compensation from Rolls Royce once the A380s were back in the air, although it was too early to determine the full financial impact.

"The disruptions we're experiencing because we don't have a number of aircraft in the fleet, that is something that once this is all resolved we will have to talk to Rolls about as a consequence," he said.

"But we are not even thinking about that yet. We are just thinking about getting the aircraft back into the air."

Qantas is in talks with Airbus to replace some of its existing Rolls Royce engines with new engines from planes still in production on the Airbus assembly line.

http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article....143270&rf=true

[Spudz27]

Originally Posted by max

I'd rather fly in Captain John Travolta's 707.

Really? All aircraft have issues. Check this out while he is taking off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liNYeXYXxQo

[sandmanls1]

this is scary

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/q...-1225956388231

[max]

Originally Posted by sandmanls1

this is scary

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/q...-1225956388231

Hell yes!! The more you read about it the more it appears that chance had a big part to play in the fortunate outcome for all aboard.

[terri tx]

thats scarey

[james123]

it weird how qantas had hardly no trubble, and then bang! now they are???

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by james123

it weird how qantas had hardly no trubble, and then bang! now they are???

Well, none we heard about. Then something very newsworthy happens, then the news in its desperate attempts to gain ratings using fear starts reporting on anything. I wouldnt put it past them to report on flights running out of sugar for the tea.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by fmc351

Well, none we heard about. Then something very newsworthy happens, then the news in its desperate attempts to gain ratings using fear starts reporting on anything. I wouldnt put it past them to report on flights running out of sugar for the tea.

Exactly, and that Kate Schneider aviation reporter for news.com.au is a lazy fat tart to say the least. These stories only get broken when a massive incident involving all the news networks occurs; or when websites whose members are predominantly airline pilots post info which is copyright protected - then big ol' Kate shows her journalistic integrity by copying and pasting and passing it off as her own. They breach copyright knowingly as they have a massive legal budget, and on the off chance they get sued, it may be for 1 in 50 stories? Although, you'd think by now Kate you'd learn to mix the points up so it isn't the same as others' lists verbatim.

Yes, I'm referring to the list of faults which were posted on flight.org and later ended up on news.com.au, then I posted them here.
Even though the inboard spar wasn't mentioned in the list, it was in a tweet and she had it as the last item. The wording was the same (minus the technical jargon which she doesn't understand), the organisation of the list the same, the numbers of the points the same. The point I'm making here is that our journo's have become some of the laziest in the world, and only report incidents when others discuss them. Ever wondered where all the file photo's come from of QF planes when something goes wrong? That'd be photographers out by the perimeter fence taking snaps through the wire until the federal police threaten them with arrest unless they move on. Again, lazy.
I honestly believe fat ol' Kate was probably upset about QF32, it meant that she'd have to stop her "Pull-outies" (pilates) and get her big *** into the office to actually earn her paycheck.

This may be over the top I realise, but the facts remain that Kate and most others of her ilk will copy other sources without permission, pass it off as their own work and then misread evidence which they don't understand and purport things in a different light commensurate with their lack of comprehension. My gut feel for "hack's" like these is that they should get a job reporting fat diets, rip offs and other miscellaneous twaddle for A Current Affair or TT. Then again, idiotic lazy schit reporters are probably a dime a dozen, and these slick crap time filler tv shows are probably full of unqualified hacks just like themselves.

[ThaFlash]

HOT OFF THE PRESS:

The A380 has now officially been called the A180, hence the amount of degree turn it needs to head back home after take off.

Source: HP4ME, A Ford Forum, no frivolous reporting here!

More news at 11!

[Barra 290]

Originally Posted by CAMS290

What is it going to cost to fix this plane ?
Have they got facilities in Singapore to fix it ? Or will the patch it up and take it to France ?

Word is it will have a temp repair and flown to Toulouse and a new wing will be fitted.

[Barra 290]

Originally Posted by max

Now the AFL have jumped ship (airship) to Virgin Blue!
My! Aren't we all getting the jitters!

The AFL jumped ship as they want an airline that will only sponsor them and not competing sporting codes which Qantas does.

[Barra 290]

Regardless of who thinks which airframe manufacturer or engine type is the best is it a coincedence that the airlines engine failures and near misses have steadily increased over the years as maintenance has been outsourced,they were the envy of the rest of the world when it came to aircraft maintenance but are a shadow of their former self and it is a testament to the pilots and engineers that they fly and look after the aircraft that we have not had a hull loss,managements decision to close down the 747 heavy maintenance base in Sydney and engine workshops and outsource other maintenance ie Avalon Vic with overseas contract labour here on holiday is having an effect and the senior management and pr guys can put all the spin they that like on it and defend their decisions that safety is not being compromised to save a buck and it makes you bleed when you see the outgoing CEO walk out the door with a $10 million handshake that instigated this cost cutting and was it a suprise that the former low cost airline boss made it as CEO.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Barra 290

The AFL jumped ship as they want an airline that will only sponsor them and not competing sporting codes which Qantas does.

I always stand outside to watch whatever jet Qantas is circling overhead on GF day, they seem to alwas circle them over my area.

Now virgin is the sponsor Thats gonna be impressive on Grand final day, A Virgin 737-800 circling the G.... Please.

Still I suppose if an A380 was to drop its sh** over an AFL crowd, now, that would be nice. So long as the debris hits Guy Sebastian, David Campbell, Jimmy Barnes, Human Nature, Jennifer Hawkins, Megan Gale, and the rest of Australias rotating In crowd celebreties for hire who rotate from event to event to event because we don't have anyone better...

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Barra 290

Regardless of who thinks which airframe manufacturer or engine type is the best is it a coincedence that the airlines engine failures and near misses have steadily increased over the years as maintenance has been outsourced,they were the envy of the rest of the world when it came to aircraft maintenance but are a shadow of their former self and it is a testament to the pilots and engineers that they fly and look after the aircraft that we have not had a hull loss,managements decision to close down the 747 heavy maintenance base in Sydney and engine workshops and outsource other maintenance ie Avalon Vic with overseas contract labour here on holiday is having an effect and the senior management and pr guys can put all the spin they that like on it and defend their decisions that safety is not being compromised to save a buck and it makes you bleed when you see the outgoing CEO walk out the door with a $10 million handshake that instigated this cost cutting and was it a suprise that the former low cost airline boss made it as CEO.

No, you're exactly wrong. It has more to do with the fact that there is a more vocal union and a much more compliant media who are looking for excuses to print bad press about Qantas. Despite the latest A380 debacle (new engines, new plane, not QF's fault) there hasn't been one incident that's really all that newsworthy. These occurrences happen to ALL other airlines regularly; but only one has to be dragged over the coals daily as various sycophants and paid off writers try to turn QF bashing into a national sport.

The rubbish that's printed and reported on an increasing basis is normal issues which otherwise aren't reported on. Airlines use machines. Machines have faults. Ever had a brake light go on your car? They'll stop an airplane for less than that. Here in Oz, twats like Kate Schneider (I commented on her earlier) will make a feature lift out article on the horror death jet with a blown tail strobe - she'll extrapolate it into a mid air drama that could have killed thousands.

Frankly, if you're gullible enough to believe the printed crap that wouldn't even qualify as toilet paper, then I'll bet you don't even have the smarts to use punctuation. Oh, and I have a harbour bridge to sell you.

[trippytaka]

Interestingly I had beers with my mate, a QANTAS pilot, on saturday. He's grounded because he flies these things... not overly confident after talking with him. In a twist of irony, he was in the simulator at the time of this incident (the first one) practicing similar engine failures... I didn't ask if he crashed or not in the simulator, but it's kind of creepy!

[Bud Bud]

Originally Posted by ltd

No, you're exactly wrong. It has more to do with the fact that there is a more vocal union and a much more compliant media who are looking for excuses to print bad press about Qantas. Despite the latest A380 debacle (new engines, new plane, not QF's fault) there hasn't been one incident that's really all that newsworthy. These occurrences happen to ALL other airlines regularly; but only one has to be dragged over the coals daily as various sycophants and paid off writers try to turn QF bashing into a national sport.

Absolutely spot on! You would think that Greg Norman was tied up with Qantas such is the tall poppy bashing Qantas is receiving at the moment. Some including even people here will not be happy until Qantas has a major in-flight failure resulting in death. Watch em all come out of the wood work then. Sheeesh.

Bud Bud

[74_XB_Ute]

I watched an "Air Crash Investigation" program the other night that involved an aircraft crashing due to three of the four vertical stabiliser bolts being bogus parts...ie..parts built not to specification. After an investigation it was found that 35% of the entire parts inventory of the FAA was bogus parts. The bogus parts had bogus FAA Certificate of Conformance forms...the CoC forms were a black market unto itself. The aircraft spare parts industry is an 80 billion dollar industry and obviously an incredible lure to the production of bogus black market parts.
So I guess no matter how minor or major an incident is there is always something to learn from it....its part of the mechanism of operating machinery as ltd stated. As far as i'm concerned compliance in parts and processes has come a long way in the last 20 years in aviation maintenance. Manufacturers and operators cant cater for every scenario as some are just not contemplated until and incident happens. Yes aircrew and maintainers can be at fault during operations but there can be underlying reasons as to why it happened....for example who even heard of human factors and fatigue management 10 - 15 years ago in aviation. These kind of contibuting factors are being learned by the aviation industry all the time. The trouble is that the media have a very limited and shallow understanding of of aircraft operations and maintenance. Their idea is instead of reporting facts and outcomes they target the human impact of a story by coming up with fictitious results of an incident and chasing that "holy crap" result in their viewers. Almost like a scare tactic! Once a report is covered...such as Qantas....they can build on that report with succession reports to maintain that "holy crap" effect with viewers and try and keep them on the edge of their seat like a fictious story waiting for a climax bad ending.

[Barra 290]

Originally Posted by ltd

No, you're exactly wrong. It has more to do with the fact that there is a more vocal union and a much more compliant media who are looking for excuses to print bad press about Qantas. Despite the latest A380 debacle (new engines, new plane, not QF's fault) there hasn't been one incident that's really all that newsworthy. These occurrences happen to ALL other airlines regularly; but only one has to be dragged over the coals daily as various sycophants and paid off writers try to turn QF bashing into a national sport.

The rubbish that's printed and reported on an increasing basis is normal issues which otherwise aren't reported on. Airlines use machines. Machines have faults. Ever had a brake light go on your car? They'll stop an airplane for less than that. Here in Oz, twats like Kate Schneider (I commented on her earlier) will make a feature lift out article on the horror death jet with a blown tail strobe - she'll extrapolate it into a mid air drama that could have killed thousands.

Frankly, if you're gullible enough to believe the printed crap that wouldn't even qualify as toilet paper, then I'll bet you don't even have the smarts to use punctuation. Oh, and I have a harbour bridge to sell you.

You seem to have a counter for everyones opinion on here that doesnt agree with your point of view,i have not read any print written regarding maintenance issues but i have seen the decline of aircraft maintenance over the years and you could ask any individual that has been in the industry for any lenghth of time they would tell you the same thing,have you looked at the ever increasing amount of MEL,s in aircraft techlogs now,of course minor incidents are blown out of proportion and no i am not gullible to believe anything that is written,you just stick to your flying and i will worry about my PUNCTUATION and keeping that aircraft safe for you to fly.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Barra 290

You seem to have a counter for everyones opinion on here that doesnt agree with your point of view,i have not read any print written regarding maintenance issues but i have seen the decline of aircraft maintenance over the years and you could ask any individual that has been in the industry for any lenghth of time they would tell you the same thing,have you looked at the ever increasing amount of MEL,s in aircraft techlogs now,of course minor incidents are blown out of proportion and no i am not gullible to believe anything that is written,you just stick to your flying and i will worry about my PUNCTUATION and keeping that aircraft safe for you to fly.

So by your first post on the decline of maintenance standards due to outsourcing, and your reply of not having read any print about maintenance, I can only surmise that you are part of the 8% that works on QF's planes and you're either located in Singapore or Germany right?

[motomk]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...23/3073880.htm

Listening to some of the press conference, they won't be going to LA. The one over there will fly back empty. Only 2 will be flying initially. The injured one, they reckon will be able to be fixed in Singapore. The 2 new ones they get before the end of the year will be to the latest spec of engine too.