BF Specs and Combined Threads - Page 7

**Polyal** · 17-08-2005, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Please don't tell me the XR's 6-speed auto can only handle 600Nm of torque? That's less then the T56... and the ZF is supposed to be rated to 775Nm. Do we get a ponce cheapo one or something?

Oh FFS Steffo.

Where did you pull that from? This is the first model with the six speed in it, do you really think they will release a car with 775Nm from stratch?

This is one of the best g'boxs in the world. I dont want to hear someone sh!t canning it that hasn't even driven it! At times you dont even realise that it has shifted, its unbelievable.

Did anyone else notice the 3v V8's Nm figure?...not bad!

MrSparkle · 17-08-2005, 09:13 AM

No word on the Boss as yet - my guess is that FPV are delaying it all. Assume the Boss260 becomes Boss270 - that's the same power as the F6 and all of a sudden, the FPV marketing machine has a problem. It's also nudging closer to the current GT/GTP outputs, and FPV would think that may be a bit close and potentially impact sales.

October at SMS I reckon, that's the earliest we'll hear about the XR8 and FPV range. Shot themselves in the foot, didn't they!

Let's see how much focus is placed on all the BF models that AREN'T the XR8, to try and keep peoples attention away from it!

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Steffo · 17-08-2005, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polyal

Oh FFS Steffo.

Where did you pull that from? This is the first model with the six speed in it, do you really think they will release a car with 775Nm from stratch?

This is one of the best g'boxs in the world. I dont want to hear someone sh!t canning it that hasn't even driven it! At times you dont even realise that it has shifted, its unbelievable.

I never said about the car not having 775Nm. I mean the transmission's torque rating. The ZF in the Jaguar S-Type R etc etc has a max torque rating of 775Nm. Why is ours only 600 in comparison? Never questioned the gearbox's smoothness, shift quality or any of that.

prdreilly · 17-08-2005, 09:25 AM

See official BF Falcon details below. Will be interesting to see how that extra torque translates into performance for the T.

I6 engine upgrade: now 190kw@5250/383nm@2500
I6 Turbo upgrade: now 245kw@5250/480nm@2000
SOHC V8 upgrade: now 230kw@5350/500nm@3500

2 versions of the 6speed auto
one rated at 450nm, and a performance version at 600nm.
Im just wondering why only 450nm? that means only I6 ghia's will use that version.

A fuel consumption chart of the BF compared with MKII is shown, results are very impressive.

you can check it out with this link to get a pdf file:
http://mellor.carsales.com.au/mellor/enews.nsf/edition/3B71C83E51F6708CCA25705F002AF3F4/$file/GoAuto_enews300.pdf

No info on XR8/GT engine upgrade

Steffo · 17-08-2005, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSparkle

No word on the Boss as yet - my guess is that FPV are delaying it all. Assume the Boss260 becomes Boss270 - that's the same power as the F6 and all of a sudden, the FPV marketing machine has a problem. It's also nudging closer to the current GT/GTP outputs, and FPV would think that may be a bit close and potentially impact sales.

October at SMS I reckon, that's the earliest we'll hear about the XR8 and FPV range. Shot themselves in the foot, didn't they!

Let's see how much focus is placed on all the BF models that AREN'T the XR8, to try and keep peoples attention away from it!

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Be interesting to see if FPV Gets a power increase... Barra182 gets 8kW and 3Nm.. the 220 gets 10kW and 30Nm... XR6 Turbo gets 5kW and 30Nm... boy, we sure love our torque :hihi:

SpoolMan · 17-08-2005, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prdreilly

2 versions of the 6speed auto
one rated at 450nm, and a performance version at 600nm.
Im just wondering why only 450nm? that means only I6 ghia's will use that version.

I would say it will be 2 cost options...

RED_EL_XR8 · 17-08-2005, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steffo

I never said about the car not having 775Nm. I mean the transmission's torque rating. The ZF in the Jaguar S-Type R etc etc has a max torque rating of 775Nm. Why is ours only 600 in comparison? Never questioned the gearbox's smoothness, shift quality or any of that.

Steffo lose the "Big Boys Book of Modern Motor Cars" and book yourself in for some kind of reality therapy please. If you wished to spend Jaguar money on the Trans I am sure it would be a snatch to lift the rating to the higher figures.

Given the cost increase quoted is somewhere near your target budget for an entire vehicle, I think this reality too, escaped you.

From what I see BF looks positive for all models, assuming BOSS based vehicles will increase output by a similar margin, and pricing will remain similar to the outgoing BA.

Whilst style changes are not radical, first impressions of the BF look more than positive.

Steffo · 17-08-2005, 09:51 AM

Hmm.. I just read the Go Auto article about the BF... I like, I like! Especially how the new auto-shifter console looks...

Focus_RS · 17-08-2005, 09:52 AM

Boss 260 is remaining Boss 260 according to The Age, however a new exhaust is to be fitted for a "more prominent v8 growl"...

17-08-2005, 09:55 AM

Drive from The Age is saying the XR8 engine will remain unchanged. Pity a bit more power would have been good plus the standard V8 is getting a bit close to the XR8's power now.

The Mighty Red · 17-08-2005, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Focus_RS

Boss 260 is remaining Boss 260 according to The Age, however a new exhaust is to be fitted for a "more prominent v8 growl"...

Dont expect an increase in power for FPV either , they are selling to well to change anything of note.

SunDrifter · 17-08-2005, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by YOOT

Because 18s are standard on the XR8 and that isn't changing.

If i recall corectly, the 18" wheels on on the XR8 was an option on the mk1 BAs. (I could be wrong). But those pics just look like photochops to me. And the bodykit looks f%&k all different to me, just the (now hard to clean) area around the fog lamps.

jmc-007 · 17-08-2005, 10:07 AM

Well time to hang out for an ex fleet, fairmont v8, ghia , lane or find an optioned XT

far out 6spd for ford fans.

i wonder what the holden boys are thinking.

me thinks the engine power is all in the software.

when you look at places like Nizpro , Capa, APS and the others who have the flash tunner.

Dave_au · 17-08-2005, 10:30 AM

I wouldn't hold out for any changes to the Xr8 or the FPVs - you would have thought greater impact would have been gained by releasing any engine performance figure changes at the same time as the other cars.

I doubt there will be any changes to the Boss 260/290

Also doesnt Bf= boy friend on mirc/msn chats?

VooDoo · 17-08-2005, 10:46 AM

Smoke Pursuit · 17-08-2005, 10:52 AM

BF XT Sedan and Wagon

New front bumper
New tail lamps on sedan
New XT wheel cover
New soft-feel door grab handles with satin chrome inserts
New Titanium Stone Metallic finish on Interior Command Centre fascia, centre console and rear air vent register
New seat fabrics and trim inserts
New paint colours: Kashmir, Wired and Déjà Vu

BF Futura Sedan and Wagon

New front bumper
New tail lamps on sedan
New 16" alloy wheel
New soft-feel door grab handles with satin chrome inserts
New Titanium Stone Metallic finish on Interior Command Centre fascia, centre console and rear air vent register
New seat fabrics and trim inserts
New paint colours: Kashmir, Wired and Déjà Vu

BF XR6 & XR6 Turbo

New sports front bumper
New tail lamps
New 17" alloy wheel
New optional 18" alloy wheel
New six-speed automatic transmission.
The 6 six speed manual Tremec T56 gearbox, is only available on XR6T and XR8 models.
New soft-feel door grab handles with satin chrome inserts
New Liquid Metal finish on Interior Command Centre fascia, centre console and rear air vent register
New seat fabrics and trim inserts
New paint colours: Toxic, Bionic, Fantasy and Déjà Vu

BF XR8

New sports front bumper
New tail lamps
New 18" alloy wheel
New six-speed automatic transmission
New soft-feel door grab handles with satin chrome inserts
New Liquid Metal finish on Interior Command Centre fascia, centre console and rear air vent register
New seat fabrics and trim inserts
New paint colours: Toxic, Bionic, Fantasy and Déjà Vu

BF Fairmont

New front bumper
New tail lamps
New 16" alloy wheel
Six-way power driver's seat
New soft-feel door grab handles with satin chrome inserts
New Titanium Stone Metallic finish on Interior Command Centre fascia, centre console, cupholder door and rear air vent register
New Ruby Mahogany woodgrain finishes
New seat fabrics and trim inserts
New paint colours: Kashmir, Wired and Déjà Vu

BF Fairmont Ghia

New front bumper
New tail lamps
New 17" alloy wheel
Chrome strip in body-side protection moulds
Fog lights (replace cornering lamps)
Chrome fog light surrounds
Chrome strip in lower grille
Eight-way power driver's seat with memory
New shifter with six-speed automatic transmission
New soft-feel door grab handles with satin chrome inserts
New Liquid Metal finish on Interior Command Centre fascia, centre console, cupholder door and rear air vent register
New Rabbit Rose woodgrain finishes
New seat fabrics and trim inserts
New paint colours: Kashmir, Wired and Déjà Vu

BF XL Ute

New front bumper
New optional 16" alloy wheel
New soft-feel door grab handles with chrome inserts
New Titanium Stone Metallic finish on Interior Command Centre fascia and centre console
New seat fabrics and trim inserts
New paint colour: Déjà Vu

BF XLS Ute

New front bumper
New 16" alloy wheel
New soft-feel door grab handles with chrome inserts
New leather-wrapped steering wheel
New Titanium Stone Metallic finish on Interior Command Centre fascia and centre console
New seat fabrics and trim inserts
New paint colour: Déjà Vu

BF XR6 Ute

New sports front bumper
New 17" alloy wheel
New optional 18" alloy wheel
New soft-feel door grab handles with chrome inserts
New Liquid Metal finish on Interior Command Centre fascia and centre console
New seat fabrics and trim inserts
New paint colours: Menace, Toxic, Bionic, Fantasy and Déjà Vu

BF XR6 Turbo Ute

New sports front bumper
New 17" alloy wheel
New optional 18" alloy wheel
New six-speed automatic transmission
New soft-feel door grab handles with chrome inserts
New Liquid Metal finish on Interior Command Centre fascia and centre console
New seat fabrics and trim inserts
New paint colours: Menace, Toxic, Bionic, Fantasy and Déjà Vu

BF XR8 Ute

New sports front bumper
New 18" alloy wheel
New six-speed automatic transmission
New soft-feel door grab handles with chrome inserts
New Liquid Metal finish on Interior Command Centre fascia and centre console
New seat fabrics and trim inserts
New paint colours: Menace, Toxic, Bionic, Fantasy and Déjà Vu

SY Territory TX RWD

Auto headlamps On
New paint colours: Kashmir, Wired, Déjà Vu and Mercury Silver (previously only on Falcon and Fairlane models)

SY TerritoryTX AWD

New shifter with six-speed automatic transmission
Auto headlamps On
New paint colours: Kashmir, Wired, Déjà Vu and Mercury Silver (previously only on Falcon and Fairlane models)

SY Territory TS AWD

New shifter with six-speed automatic transmission
New paint colours: Kashmir, Wired, Déjà Vu and Mercury Silver (previously only on Falcon and Fairlane models)

SY Territory Ghia AWD

New shifter with six-speed automatic transmission
New paint colours: Kashmir, Wired, Déjà Vu and Mercury Silver (previously only on Falcon and Fairlane models)

Smoke Pursuit · 17-08-2005, 10:55 AM

BF Fairlane Ghia

New tail lamps
New 17" alloy wheel (16" alloy wheel at BA MkII)
New shifter with six-speed automatic transmission
New soft-feel door grab handles with satin chrome inserts
New Ruby Mahogany woodgrain finishes
New paint colours: Kashmir, Wired and Déjà Vu

BF Fairlane G8

New sports-luxury Fairlane model, replacing the G220. The new G8 nomenclature reflects its Ghia heritage and standard V8 engine
New tail lamps
New 17" alloy wheel
New shifter with six-speed automatic transmission
New soft-feel door grab handles with satin chrome inserts
New paint colours: Kashmir, Wired and Déjà Vu

BF LTD

New tail lamps
New 17" alloy wheel (16" alloy wheel at BA MkII)
New shifter with six-speed automatic transmission
New soft-feel door grab handles with satin chrome inserts
New Rabbit Rose woodgrain finishes
New paint colours: Kashmir, Wired and Déjà Vu

Smoke Pursuit · 17-08-2005, 11:01 AM

Menace – a bold purple with an intense blue highlight, this daring metallic hue is sure to excite the sports enthusiast. Menace is only available on Falcon XR and FPV models.

Kashmir – a luxurious mid-tone European grey with golden undertones that radiates timeless elegance. Kashmir is available on the Falcon passenger range, excluding XR models, as well as Fairlane, LTD and Territory.

Toxic – beyond citrus, this new acidic yellow green is sure to turn heads. Toxic is only available on Falcon XR and FPV models.

Bionic – an explosive and exciting new blue full of energy and life. Bionic is only available on Falcon XR and FPV models.

Wired – a warm, copper metallic, rich with warmth and sophistication. Wired is available on Falcon passenger, excluding XR models, as well as Fairlane, LTD and Territory.

Déjà Vu – a classic, dark emerald green full of depth. Déjà Vu is available on all Falcon passenger models, including Falcon XR and FPV, as well as Falcon Ute, Fairlane, LTD and Territory models.

Fantasy – a vivid chameleon colour full of power, with high chromaticity and dramatic effects, which constantly changes its personality from royal purples to an amazing new blue. Fantasy is only available on Falcon XR and FPV models.

jmc-007 · 17-08-2005, 11:06 AM

Any have any rear shots. aparently the tail lights have changed

Smoke Pursuit · 17-08-2005, 11:10 AM

No no rear shots but ill try and get some.

fordxr8 · 17-08-2005, 11:10 AM

not a big fan of the XR's
thought they'd make more of a styling change to the car

twr7cx · 17-08-2005, 11:11 AM

Spewing that they didn't break 190kw's with the I6. Would of been nice to just be in front of Holdens new V6.
Although, a lot of people say that the 175kw V6 is compareable to our I6 as that's the standard engine, and he 190kw V6 is comparable to the XR6T donk as thats the 6 cylinder performance engines.

mcflux · 17-08-2005, 11:12 AM

Looks like a BAIII to me :P

niko · 17-08-2005, 11:14 AM

just like vt-vx minus the headlight/garnish mods :P

or ea-ed with super minor adjustments again.

FordFan86 · 17-08-2005, 11:19 AM

...need....more.....powWAH!!!!

XplosiveR6 · 17-08-2005, 11:27 AM

its practically the same look, and poor fairlane still gets no luvin. poor effort me thinks

Smoke Pursuit · 17-08-2005, 11:29 AM

Least the Fairlane gets 17s...

I hope they are nice ones.

TheSneakiness · 17-08-2005, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by FordFan86

...need....more.....powWAH!!!!

Look in the other thread about the update. There are power increases.

MrSparkle · 17-08-2005, 11:31 AM

If that's the "new" XR8 18's, not so good I'm afraid. They look exactly like the BA1 standard XR 17's which really isn't too flash. Can anyone confirm?

XplosiveR6 · 17-08-2005, 11:32 AM

does the change in name of the G220 mean that the base V8 will get more power?