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Anyone got any idea why ANY Government in Australia would think it makes sense
to have more and more makes and models of cars being imported into our Country to systematically Root the car Industry we are trying desperatley to keep in tack Got me stuffed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ************** |
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interesting point In 1971 you could buy a Falcon GT-HO for what $4500? the average weekly wage in 1971 was $90 per week - therefore less than one years salary equals a GT HO. 2010 the average wage is less than $70,000 and new GT P will set you back $80,000 By that reasoning we could argue that we had things better in 1971 (meaning cars were cheaper - before imports and free trade)
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Theres no doubt that you get a lot more bang for your buck these days. Manufacturers often add more into a car each year, and the prices are staying steady, or creeping down, thus it would be hard to compare apples with apples from yesteryear to today. But for example, as the following example (using a more common car than a GT-P)
http://www.used-car.com.au/australia/holden-cars.html The VN commodore in 1988 went for $20000 (plus I am gonna add $3000 for all the charges they slap on as in 1988 there was no driveaway price) and as per the following ABS site http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/free.nsf/0/7683B15D189330BACA2574FF0018D114/$File/63020_AUG1988.pdf, the average wage was approx $500 per week ($410 per week clear) = $26000 per year ($21320 clear) in 1988 wage =$26000 ($21320) car =$23000 almost a one for one basis. I think in 1988 the import duty on a car was approx 50%, so the local manufacturers had that much buffer on importers. You can now pick up a commodore for $36000 drive away, and the average wage is around $60000. However if the local manufacturers had a the extra 45% buffer of import duties (50% in 1988, now only 5%), then they could effectively add approx $16000 to the price of a commodore. If the average family car was selling for over $50,000 (and the average small car $30000), then there would be alot less new cars on the road, alot less people selling cars, alot less people fixing cars, alot less people employed in the car industry. There may be more people making cars in australia (altho maybe not as they would be more expensive), but that would not make up the difference. |
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From your link we can also compare a HQ (price of $2730 from your link) compared to 1971 wage of $90 per week (or $4680 pa) or basically 58% of the average workers salary.
Now look at the VE at $36,000 compared to $60,000 or basically 60% of the average workers salary. All I am suggesting is that there is no way we could possibly determine the cost of a Falcon or Commodore if free trade didnt exist. I am not against free trade however I do beleive that other nations protect there trade and industries and see no reason why Australia shouldnt. I have been lucky(?) enough to go through various local Automotive plants and various manufacturing plants overseas and my personal beleif is that the local guys do a great job. They face different and unique challenges compared to there overseas counter parts.
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Chinese car-makers coming ready or not
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Don't overestimate the effect that the chinese will have on the locals either.
One group of customers that Gayly and Crashball won't win over, is the chinese themselves. Most of the chinese that are here and have money for buying cars are not born here, and therefore have an inherent distaste for communist China and the products it makes. Sounds racist yes, but ask your local chinese fella what he thinks of products "Made in China". Usually it will be met with comments in the Australian vernacular of shhhh???? As for the young ABC's (Australian Born Chinese), they prefer Euro or Japanese. It's a pretty big demographic. I think there's going to be resistance to these cars more than Hyundai ever received, look at Kia, still hasn't taken off and they've brought out dozens of models. They even park those hideous looking souls strategically around the place but I'm yet to see one on the road. Further to that, when they have had success such as the Kia Carnival they've had an issue (head gaskets) and botched up the warranty claims for it inciting a groundswell of ill will toward Kia. Finally, wasn't it parts outsourced to China that brought about the latest Toyota recall?
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The main reason these cars are cheap(er) is because of the labour cost, but that's not the main reason. The main reason is that they haven't spent hundreds of millions in R&D. We have been a tier 1 supplier to the auto industry since 1934 and the labour portion would make a 10% swing at the most.
Poor R&D manifests itself in poor safety. I can't imagine a poor design accidentally making a vehicle safer for the occupants. So Ford, GM and Toyota spend billions in R&D (inc govt grants) to make vehicles better and safer for us. Then we allow 2 star vehicles in to be sold. It just sends mixed messages. We're not a banana republic just yet Kevin. Maybe one day the way you're going.
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Anyone got any idea why we need yet another make of car for sale
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For a 'cheap' ute its not that cheap. Seeing as you can get a base model ranger for 1k more.
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Can anyone afford to be seen in one of these things?
Not wishing to sound like some vainglorious twat, but if I turned up anywhere in one of these things I would expect people to think I'm a cheapskate who has no concern about mine/others safety (a perception). I'd also think women would find me even more repugnant and I'd take that stigma of being treasonous buying a chinese car. Yes, this may be far from the truth but we're talking about a public so dumb, that some actually think Kim Jong Il comes from China.
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I have seen a few GWM utes in Sydney CBD lately. You have to be a real trainspotter to pick the dual cab - and then only really by the badge.
Plus I bought a Parsun outboard (Chinese made, Yamaha rip off) for my boat tender (15hp) late last year. Many people on the boat forums have been asking me about it (with a fair bit of animated debate) and to be honest I rate it hightly (as did a boat mag review). I am however a little dissapointed in the hugely expensive old-school ,proved-till-death Mercury I just bought for the big boat (always had Mercurys except for the Parsun which was part of a package). I know it is still running in, but even running in the Chinese Parsun felt a lot smoother and quieter with less vibration than the Merc. I haven't bought a Chinese car, but wouldn't dimiss it out of hand either. I might need a new tow car soon too. The old-school is changing. Paying 33% more does always deliver you 33% more these days. Time will tell.
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Price is the driving force behind Great Wall vehicles. A 'new' ute, no matter what the stars / ratings / public perceptions are will always 'sound' much better than a '2nd hand' ute. There are a large group of people who know or understand bugger all about cars. They start em, drive em and get em serviced when the logbook tells them to no questions asked. They have no clue of RWD / FWD pro's and con's nor do they care about where a vehicle came from. If it is cheap, does the job it will sell well. The original bubble shaped Excels proved this point. Great Wall motors will sell very well as there is a ready market of people buying these utes already, or they wouldn't be investing in expanding their range. |
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For example, for young women these days it seems to be a baby beemer or a VW golf. Third option is a Yaris. How much do women spend on fashionable items all because it has a big label on it like DIOR, or Dolce and Gabbana, or Fendi? It's not like the old days where people were just happy to have wheels, it seems that there are standards to be reached and in the great faux par war waged amongst GenY and GenZ for brand recognition and a perception of not being cheap, Great wall will be seen ostensibly as the "Target" of the automotive world.
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