First experience .. Vic law regarding passing emergency vehicle

[whitelion65]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Was the witch also smoking an ice pipe like the driver was?

No, only Mohinda was on the ice. Witches are far too smart for that kinda $hit!!

[borough]

Had another truck driver tailgating me on the Freeway last night while I was doing the speed limit and overtaking cars in the left lane. First time I had Ben to the office in six weeks. Just reinforces my opinion that truck drivers are just unprofessional cowboys at best. I hope the truck driver involved in the Eastern Fwy is locked up and the key thrown away.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by borough

Had another truck driver tailgating me on the Freeway last night while I was doing the speed limit and overtaking cars in the left lane. First time I had Ben to the office in six weeks. Just reinforces my opinion that truck drivers are just unprofessional cowboys at best. I hope the truck driver involved in the Eastern Fwy is locked up and the key thrown away.

Driving my truck today I had several car drivers tailgating me, while I was doing the speed limit.
Some of these car drivers should be locked up as they didn't look like they were out working.

[borough]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Driving my truck today I had several car drivers tailgating me, while I was doing the speed limit.
Some of these car drivers should be locked up as they didn't look like they were out working.

Thanks for proving my point about truck drivers being unprofessional cowboys. What damage would a car do to your truck if it it you? If I had to have braked heavily I would have ended up with a B-double in my rear passenger seat if I was lucky. Your attitude is typical of what I see from truck drivers who never seem cabable of taking responsibility for their own actions. It allways seems to be someone elses fault.

[JasonACT]

Originally Posted by borough

Thanks for proving my point about truck drivers being unprofessional cowboys.

How was the point proved? Maybe I missed some details, as I didn't make that connection? Seems to me like there's just a lot of randoms on the road, in trucks and cars.

[marty351]

Originally Posted by borough

Thanks for proving my point about truck drivers being unprofessional cowboys. What damage would a car do to your truck if it it you? If I had to have braked heavily I would have ended up with a B-double in my rear passenger seat if I was lucky. Your attitude is typical of what I see from truck drivers who never seem cabable of taking responsibility for their own actions. It allways seems to be someone elses fault.

. Rockwiz only implied there are two sides of the same coin.
At least that's how I saw it.

[borough]

Originally Posted by marty351

. Rockwiz only implied there are two sides of the same coin.
At least that's how I saw it.

So would the tailgating car cause much damage to the truck as a truck would to a car? Basic physics tells me no it would not.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by borough

Thanks for proving my point about truck drivers being unprofessional cowboys. What damage would a car do to your truck if it it you? If I had to have braked heavily I would have ended up with a B-double in my rear passenger seat if I was lucky. Your attitude is typical of what I see from truck drivers who never seem cabable of taking responsibility for their own actions. It allways seems to be someone elses fault.

so its ok for cars to tailgate trucks?

also, had you braked for an obvious reason, you would no doubt have found the the B double had already started braking before you were even aware of the reason.

also, (and this is probably not always the case) when you look in the rear view mirror, a truck can appear like it is quite close, but in reality it is further back than you realise. Its just the way viewing angles work.

I'm not a truck apologist but just against people who see the need to tar the whole group because of the actions of a few. Given you mention you own a 'big aussie 6' .... I saw a big aussie 6 driver run a red light today, so therefore you must run red lights

[whitelion65]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Driving my truck today I had several car drivers tailgating me, while I was doing the speed limit.
Some of these car drivers should be locked up as they didn't look like they were out working.

Mate, I'd be more worried about the mental state of a car-driver tail-gating a truck than vice versa!
I don't condone tailgating by anyone, but at least the truck has a view of the road ahead.
It's a pity a lot of courtesy has disappeared from our roads.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by borough

Had another truck driver tailgating me on the Freeway last night while I was doing the speed limit and overtaking cars in the left lane. First time I had Ben to the office in six weeks. Just reinforces my opinion that truck drivers are just unprofessional cowboys at best. I hope the truck driver involved in the Eastern Fwy is locked up and the key thrown away.

What type of car do you drive?
What tyre pressure do you run?
Have you had your speedo calibrated?
Daddy issues?

[borough]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

What type of car do you drive?
What tyre pressure do you run?
Have you had your speedo calibrated?
Daddy issues?

All those points are irrelevant. It does not matter what speed the vehicle in front is driving you should always travel at a safe distance. Try again.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by borough

All those points are irrelevant. It does not matter what speed the vehicle in front is driving you should always travel at a safe distance. Try again.

Perhaps you're in the wrong place.

Try this.

https://priuschat.com/forum/

[borough]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Perhaps you're in the wrong place.

Try this.

https://priuschat.com/forum/

Thanks for the thought but I would rather my big Aussie 6 over one of those things. If not for COVID-19 i might have been over at this forum https://stingerforum.org/.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by borough

Had another truck driver tailgating me on the Freeway last night while I was doing the speed limit and overtaking cars in the left lane. First time I had Ben to the office in six weeks. Just reinforces my opinion that truck drivers are just unprofessional cowboys at best.

You weren't by any chance driving on the Mitchell or Kwinana freeway or Tonkin or Roe Highways in Perth were you? Plenty of semi's from BGC and Qube logistics doing 100km/h in the right lane, tailgating the vehicle in front of them, usually around 1m from the rear bumper of the vehicle ahead.

These guys have got to be on the glass bbq. Absolute maniacs asking for an accident to occur.

[borough]

Originally Posted by Romulus

You weren't by any chance driving on the Mitchell or Kwinana freeway or Tonkin or Roe Highways in Perth were you? Plenty of semi's from BGC and Qube logistics doing 100km/h in the right lane, tailgating the vehicle in front of them, usually around 1m from the rear bumper of the vehicle ahead.

These guys have got to be on the glass bbq. Absolute maniacs asking for an accident to occur.

No mate, Western Freeway Melbourne.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by borough

No mate, Western Freeway Melbourne.

The Wild West!

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by borough

Had another truck driver tailgating me on the Freeway last night while I was doing the speed limit and overtaking cars in the left lane. First time I had Ben to the office in six weeks. Just reinforces my opinion that truck drivers are just unprofessional cowboys at best. I hope the truck driver involved in the Eastern Fwy is locked up and the key thrown away.

So from what i can gather from your post is that you were sitting in the right hand lane doing the speed limit, sounds like you are a law abiding citizen.

Now I have a problem with this, as I obey most rules of the road, and there is 1 called the keep left rule, it comes in handy when you drive on a road that has 2 or more lanes going the same way.

Being a truck driver myself, I hate when you have 3 lanes all with a car in them and miles of road in front of each car or miles of road behind, but they will sit all at the same speed and start tapping the brakes or slowing down and speeding up instead of just moving over and let me get on my way like the law states, It should not matter to you if I am going faster than you, that's a matter for the police, you could have just moved over and let him on his way and had a nice peaceful ride home without the agro.

You should not be worried about what the guy behind you or beside you is doing and concentrate on the job at hand and abide by the road rules and move over, then you wont have a tailgater be it a car, bike or a truck.

Maybe if you had to drive a truck for a short period of time you might have a better understanding what we have to put up with with the suicidal car drivers that think its ok to pull in to a trucks braking distance, overtake on blind corners, think that a truck can see them when they are at the front wheel in a merging lane, I could go on, but it just falls on deaf ears as we are all guilty to doing the wrong thing in our little tin boxes.

[borough]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

So from what i can gather from your post is that you were sitting in the right hand lane doing the speed limit, sounds like you are a law abiding citizen.

Now I have a problem with this, as I obey most rules of the road, and there is 1 called the keep left rule, it comes in handy when you drive on a road that has 2 or more lanes going the same way.

I clearly stated that I was doing the speed limit and overtaking cars on the left. Try again.

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

Being a truck driver myself, I hate when you have 3 lanes all with a car in them and miles of road in front of each car or miles of road behind, but they will sit all at the same speed and start tapping the brakes or slowing down and speeding up instead of just moving over and let me get on my way like the law states, It should not matter to you if I am going faster than you, that's a matter for the police, you could have just moved over and let him on his way and had a nice peaceful ride home without the agro.

You should not be worried about what the guy behind you or beside you is doing and concentrate on the job at hand and abide by the road rules and move over, then you wont have a tailgater be it a car, bike or a truck.

It is called situational awareness. You should be concerned about what is going on ahead, behind, left and the right. Follow your own advice then and follow the road rules and don't tailgate.

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

Maybe if you had to drive a truck for a short period of time you might have a better understanding what we have to put up with with the suicidal car drivers that think its ok to pull in to a trucks braking distance, overtake on blind corners, think that a truck can see them when they are at the front wheel in a merging lane, I could go on, but it just falls on deaf ears as we are all guilty to doing the wrong thing in our little tin boxes.

Just the list of usual truck driver excuses.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by borough

I clearly stated that I was doing the speed limit and overtaking cars on the left. Try again.

You are aware that car Speedo's only have to be accurate to within +/- 10%. & almost without exception read fast..
Whereas a Trucks Speedo has to be within +/- 1%.

You driving along in your car with the Speedo needle on the posted Limit you're almost guaranteed to Be Travelling Slower than you think you are. & that that Big truck that just passed you & you think was Speeding. Actually wasn't

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by hayseed

You are aware that car Speedo's only have to be accurate to within +/- 10%. & almost without exception read fast..
Whereas a Trucks Speedo has to be within +/- 1%.

You driving along in your car with the Speedo needle on the posted Limit you're almost guaranteed to Be Travelling Slower than you think you are. & that that Big truck that just passed you & you think was Speeding. Actually wasn't

Very true, Its amazing the amount of cars I pass on the freeway doing the posted speed limit they set on cruise control, in the pre ECM panel van.
I often check it against an overhead speed reader at West Wodonga.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by hayseed

You are aware that car Speedo's only have to be accurate to within +/- 10%. & almost without exception read fast..
Whereas a Trucks Speedo has to be within +/- 1%.

You driving along in your car with the Speedo needle on the posted Limit you're almost guaranteed to Be Travelling Slower than you think you are. & that that Big truck that just passed you & you think was Speeding. Actually wasn't

True, but if you're overtaking you can be in the right lane even if you are not doing the limit. You just have to move left once the overtake is complete

I'm a big fan of keep left unless overtaking, but what annoys me more than people not keeping left is people who are in the right lane flashing their lights and sitting 1m off the back of a car who is legitimately using the right lane.

[borough]

Originally Posted by hayseed

You are aware that car Speedo's only have to be accurate to within +/- 10%. & almost without exception read fast..
Whereas a Trucks Speedo has to be within +/- 1%.

You driving along in your car with the Speedo needle on the posted Limit you're almost guaranteed to Be Travelling Slower than you think you are. & that that Big truck that just passed you & you think was Speeding. Actually wasn't

Actually that is not correct for cars built after 2006. They have to comply with ADR 18 (https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2006L01392) which states that for cars the speedo cannot show a speed slower than the actual speed the vehicle is travelling.

A direct quote from ADR 18" The production shall be deemed to conform to this Regulation if the following relationship between the speed indicated on the display of the speedometer (V1) and the actual speed (V2) is observed:

In the case of vehicles of categories M and N:
(V1 – V2) = 0.1 V2 + 6 km/h;"

From where did you get the figure that trucks speedos have to be +-%1? Would they not be a NC class vehicle and fall under the same rule?

So taking the worst case of my speedo reading 110 my actual speed would have been 93km/h. I have tested my speedo and it is about 2km off. So in that case my speed would have been 108. Trucks are no allowed to travel over 100km/h on Victorian roads (https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safe...d-rules/trucks). So not only was the truck driver tailgating me he was also speeding.

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by borough

Just the list of usual truck driver excuses.

Typical car driver response

In my 20 years of driving a truck, I have had 5 accidents all of them cars crashing into me, 4 of them got out of there el cheapo **** boxes and abused me telling me that I should be more careful and that im a "typical truck driver", funny they were all charged with varying driving offences .

So when you put all us truck drivers into a category of "unprofessional cowboys", Especially when there are way more Bad car drivers out there, think again.

Plus if you think about it, all us so called cowboys are the ones that make sure you get what you need, we stop rolling, you have to hunt and gather again, you would be amazed at the job truck drivers do to get you what you take for granted.

I don't know what you do for a living, but im sure if I labelled your profession in the same manner, you would be a little ticked.

[borough]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

Typical car driver response

In my 20 years of driving a truck, I have had 5 accidents all of them cars crashing into me, 4 of them got out of there el cheapo **** boxes and abused me telling me that I should be more careful and that im a "typical truck driver", funny they were all charged with varying driving offences .

So when you put all us truck drivers into a category of "unprofessional cowboys", Especially when there are way more Bad car drivers out there, think again.

Plus if you think about it, all us so called cowboys are the ones that make sure you get what you need, we stop rolling, you have to hunt and gather again, you would be amazed at the job truck drivers do to get you what you take for granted.

I don't know what you do for a living, but im sure if I labelled your profession in the same manner, you would be a little ticked.

I was a Teacher, now I'm an Engineer. You can label my profession however you see fit as I know it only takes a few bad apples to ruin them all.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

So from what i can gather... snip...

I can see that you have good intentions but what we have here is someone who has an attention seeking disorder and unfortunately, you’ve fallen into his trap. It’s like the old saying, never argue with an idiot.
See how he bitched and whined and then when people asked genuine questions, he dismisses them with this “I am right” and everybody else is wrong attitude. We all come across people like him everyday and it’s best to just ignore them. Once they realise that their little tantrums aren’t getting a reaction, they tend to move on and annoy someone else.
Just for your info, the Western Highway is two lanes and people who fail to keep left on this road are a real PIA.

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I can see that you have good intentions but what we have here is someone who has an attention seeking disorder and unfortunately, you’ve fallen into his trap. It’s like the old saying, never argue with an idiot.
See how he bitched and whined and then when people asked genuine questions, he dismisses them with this “I am right” and everybody else is wrong attitude. We all come across people like him everyday and it’s best to just ignore them. Once they realise that their little tantrums aren’t getting a reaction, they tend to move on and annoy someone else.
Just for your info, the Western Highway is two lanes and people who fail to keep left on this road are a real PIA.

Ok makes sense now

[borough]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I can see that you have good intentions but what we have here is someone who has an attention seeking disorder and unfortunately, you’ve fallen into his trap. It’s like the old saying, never argue with an idiot.
See how he bitched and whined and then when people asked genuine questions, he dismisses them with this “I am right” and everybody else is wrong attitude. We all come across people like him everyday and it’s best to just ignore them. Once they realise that their little tantrums aren’t getting a reaction, they tend to move on and annoy someone else.
Just for your info, the Western Highway is two lanes and people who fail to keep left on this road are a real PIA.

You must be a genius to work that out with with a couple of posts. I usually drive 35,000km a year and I see lots of bad driving. Thanks to Covid-19 Thursday had been my first trip to the office in about six weeks and I end up with this truck driver tailgating me when I am doing the speed limit and overtaking cars. Seriously what should I have done? Pulled into the left lane? That is pretty hard to do when you're overtaking the cars in that lane.

I have never said all truck drivers are cowboys. However due to the actions of a few on the road to keep myself and family safe I have to assume they are.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by borough

You must be a genius to work that out with with a couple of posts. I usually drive 35,000km a year and I see lots of bad driving. Thanks to Covid-19 Thursday had been my first trip to the office in about six weeks and I end up with this truck driver tailgating me when I am doing the speed limit and overtaking cars. Seriously what should I have done? Pulled into the left lane? That is pretty hard to do when you're overtaking the cars in that lane.

I have never said all truck drivers are cowboys. However due to the actions of a few on the road to keep myself and family safe I have to assume they are.

Was he Indian?

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by borough

I have never said all truck drivers are cowboys.

Um ya did.

Originally Posted by borough

Just reinforces my opinion that truck drivers are just unprofessional cowboys at best

Anyway you just drive around with your view of truck drivers and I will drive around with my view of some of the car drivers.

Ps, I do 120,000 ks a year

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by borough

Seriously what should I have done? Pulled into the left lane?

Yes thats exactly what you should have done. I don't want to go all health and safety but assess the risk and make the change. In this case change lanes, let the idiot go by and get home 30 seconds later, but in one piece. Righteousness won't guarantee you're safety.