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Old 21-02-2020, 03:46 AM   #61
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I recall a previous thread re Ebola virus and claims that it was going to kill millions and that it was unstoppable.
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Old 21-02-2020, 04:02 AM   #62
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No, no.. wait a minute.., according to some folks living in their little corner of the world - with their heads firmly up their rear end, this just a "Storm in a tea cup". Something conjured up by financially struggling media apparently!

These folks would probably be the types who drive a few km's daily to work and back, and the occasional trip to the shops. Living in hole and never getting out in the real world.

Surprised that these folks didn't accuse face mask manufactures of conjuring up this virus to sell face masks by the ton.
The cynic in me made me put the question forward.
Can you refute the reasons I listed as to why I and many others are not swallowing the official story hook line n sinker?
Previous endemic scares that were suppose to wreak disaster on a global scale never eventuated, despite the sky is falling call from sensationalist media. A bit of déjà Vu going on.
Happy to be proven wrong. Time will tell.
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Old 21-02-2020, 04:51 AM   #63
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Just heard from our work PPE committee that our supplier cannot source P2 disposable masks or disposable gloves anywhere in the country.

Apparently our supplier has been approached by the Chinese suppliers offering 5 times the original purchase price to purchase the items back. The supplier has now specified a maximum of two boxes per customer as they have had folks asking for more. Apparently they are buying up as much stock as they can and are returning them to China, in a similar way to the baby formula issue.

Mate's son works at the local Kmart. They normally run 4 shifts per week to unload new supplies. This has been cut to two.

The tentacles are spreading....
Not sure what industry you're in or the reason for posting about P2 mask availability.
I go with the advice of medical experts and yesterday i heard the Australian Chief Medical Officer state that the wearing of masks in Australia is unnecessary.
He even stated that he and his staff are eating out at Chinese restaurants by choice.
But we prefer to panic and think that this is it, the end of the world as we know it
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Old 21-02-2020, 07:40 AM   #64
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I recall a previous thread re Ebola virus and claims that it was going to kill millions and that it was unstoppable.
Ebola is still active in Africa killing ppl.

If COVID19 is so harmless then why has China gone to such extraordinary lengths to try and contain in?

The latest medical journals coming out of all places China, where their experience has an infection rate near enough 20% for patients in the severe to critical category.

The same Chinese medical team are anticipating the virus to rebound through their country.
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Old 21-02-2020, 08:13 AM   #65
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Ebola is still active in Africa killing ppl.

If COVID19 is so harmless then why has China gone to such extraordinary lengths to try and contain in?

The latest medical journals coming out of all places China, where their experience has an infection rate near enough 20% for patients in the severe to critical category.

The same Chinese medical team are anticipating the virus to rebound through their country.
People can die from it, however many people with it recover.

Who said it's harmless?

Re Ebola i can recall people on here back when it was in the news suggesting it was unstoppable and would spread around the world. The fact is it's contained
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Old 21-02-2020, 10:11 AM   #66
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Not sure what industry you're in or the reason for posting about P2 mask availability.
I go with the advice of medical experts and yesterday i heard the Australian Chief Medical Officer state that the wearing of masks in Australia is unnecessary.
He even stated that he and his staff are eating out at Chinese restaurants by choice.
But we prefer to panic and think that this is it, the end of the world as we know it
My comments were to provide real world examples of where the Coronavirus has made impact in Australia. In this case, not from a medical perspective, but from a supply chain perspective. Even if Australia is not impacted directly by Coronavirus, we will be impacted indirectly by it.

I'm not suggesting that we need to be alarmist because we are all going to be directly exposed to the virus, just that it will impact us.

For the record, I work in the power generation industry. The lack of PPE may mean that maintenance activities will no longer be able to be performed. That in turn puts generation at risk. That in turn puts energy supply at risk. Which in turn puts every grid-connected electricity consumer at risk. This is not being alarmist. That is the potential consequence. However, I think the probability of that occurring is low.

But it is still a risk and one that needs to be managed carefully. Personally, I see this as being similar to the Y2K bug; it requires a national approach to be able to mitigate the risk it poses.
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Old 21-02-2020, 12:37 PM   #67
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Mr XXXOOO it's a fair question. Ebola was very contagious but had a very high death rate so this limits its spread. Villages in equatorial Africa are a longer distance from internation air flight hubs and routes as well.
COVID-19 has a really high infection rate (R0 of 6.7 in one paper) but - crucially - it has a dormant period before symptoms where you still may be infectious, of 14 days (latest info out of China advises 24 days possible, one documented case had onset of symptoms 93 days after first exposure caring for a relative who was one of the first infected!)
So there's the possibility of it spreading far before anyone knows, as carriers may not show symptoms, even a fever. You can imagine what can happen in our connected world with this feature.
Indian researchers put out then pulled a paper suggesting RNA similar to HIV in it - bats the cause or something else?
Mortality - 2.2% officially, 1/3 of infected need high end medical care. The elderly and those with previous conditions more at risk.

Overnight it seems to be taking off in South Korea and Japan. Hong Kong and Singapore have cases near 100 now, including infections beyond points of contact in Wuhan - this classifies as Pandemic I believe, according to WHO rules. We are still flying in from Singapore, HK, Narita.
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Old 21-02-2020, 01:33 PM   #68
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If it continues.... Your Harvey Normans, JBHIs, Officeworks... Actually EVERY retailer’s shelves will be bare!
Food?... ok, Aussie produce, But where does the packaging come from, or the labels... or the ink the labels are printed with?
Think of the “great” Aussie companies that, in their infinite wisdom, decided it was cheaper to make their papertowels, undies, or lawnmowers offshore (China!)

Not just talkin Australia either! Will be the same worldwide... Such is our dependence on the mighty “MADE IN CHINA” moniker!

My opinion.... If this virus shuts down China for another 3 or 4 months, we are ALL in dire straits!!
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Hopefully it means bad news for China in the long run, and companies realise putting all your eggs in that filthy basket is not a good idea, and they start bringing manufacturing back to their home companies.
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Already happening Boss, Trump gave US companies a warning in the last year or so to diversify their supply chains out. We are seeing repatriation as well as shifting of offshore suppliers for the US at least.

Now AUD at 0.66US, makes the loss of our auto production particularly bitter. It might not be cars any more, but if one likes producing things, find a niche and go for it locally. Hope this puts a rocket under local manufacturing.

Where does that leave Oz, reliant on Coal to China for big bucks? Their coal consumption is down already, about 33% based on todays article on ZH.
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If it continues.... Your Harvey Normans, JBHIs, Officeworks... Actually EVERY retailer’s shelves will be bare!
Food?... ok, Aussie produce, But where does the packaging come from, or the labels... or the ink the labels are printed with?
Think of the “great” Aussie companies that, in their infinite wisdom, decided it was cheaper to make their papertowels, undies, or lawnmowers offshore (China!)

Not just talkin Australia either! Will be the same worldwide... Such is our dependence on the mighty “MADE IN CHINA” moniker!

My opinion.... If this virus shuts down China for another 3 or 4 months, we are ALL in dire straits!!
One of our suppliers has indicated that they're up the creek without a paddle at the moment, they can't get anything made.

Bring on the chaos, a little pain is good for you.
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Old 21-02-2020, 05:43 PM   #72
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How good is it? We sell coal to China and educate their kids.

Coal demand down 30% and travel ban on the kids hurting universities

It's all good bro let's just keep swapping houses amongst ourselves and we can all transition from automotive manufacturing to manufacturing fancy coffees.
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Gourmet bean roasters.

It's become like the South Park Yelp episode.
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