So every "K" is a killer, but not when its sanctioned by the state..

[Jim Goose]

Well we all know how the adds go... "Every K is a killer"

But not when the government sanctions speeding on public roads it seems.
How does this grab you as the ultimate finger at the average motorist?

In beautiful downtown Townsville several public roads are closed off to the average motorist because of the upcoming V8 supercars.

Now I got to read the terms of conditions for those who wanted to show their car at the car show and do a lap of the track on Sunday. One of the terms stated that despite the roads being closed and that it was a "race" track, all the road rules apply so NO SPEEDING was allowed. (As you arent a "race" driver). All very well and good.... except parts of the race track arent gazetted roads and have no posted signage with speed limits or centreline markings. (only the main straight is actually a real public road)

But today was a different day, under Police escort (3 red highway patrol cars) a large number of V8 race utes were driven (unregistered) around Townsville. Oddly enough, under Police escort, these cars were allowed to speed well in excess of the speed limit on one particular section of road (posted 70kmh) as they were overtaking a lot of cars.

Yay for hypocrisy......

[DBourne]

You're forgetting that they are "trained"

[Mad_Pom]

Where do I sign up for training so that I can speed !!

[Tobey]

I'm sure when you have a police escort you can do that too..

Quit whinging...

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by Tobey

I'm sure when you have a police escort you can do that too..

Quit whinging...

Er
no you cant speed above posted limit when under police escort.
Been watching too many hollywood movies.

[The G6ET Spot]

obviously a slow news day.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by The G6ET Spot

obviously a slow news day.

true, obviously someone is jealous they were not allowed to fly through the streets as well

[barnz_xr8]

it is a family fun race event, with speeding performed by cams licenced drive in roll cage equipped race cars, if you want to speed get your cams licence and by a cheap race car and take it to the track.

[Wise]

Originally Posted by Tobey

I'm sure when you have a police escort you can do that too..

Quit whinging...

Tobey,

We know a few cops between us. Let's get our own escorts happening.

Were the cops speeding too? Pretty sure you can do it if they are. Or maybe they were stolen and being chased? Lol

[GS608]

the V8 utes are road registered last time i checked?

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

true, obviously someone is jealous they were not allowed to fly through the streets as well

Seriously? Or maybe you dont get the point?

it is a family fun race event, with speeding performed by cams licenced drive in roll cage equipped race cars, if you want to speed get your cams licence and by a cheap race car and take it to the track.

Im not talking about the race or racing on the track. Im talking about cars being driven on a public road around Townsville speeding above the posted limit.

some of you seem to miss the point at how we are told this and that by the add campain, but its all good as long as your promoting something?

Funny how whenever someone on here has a whinge he was caught speeding we all tell him off that he shouldnt break the law blah blah....

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Seriously? Or maybe you dont get the point?

what is the point - you do not like speed cameras. you do not like having to obey the laws

would you have not done it, given the chance

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

what is the point - you do not like speed cameras. you do not like having to obey the laws

would you have not done it, given the chance

Fine turn it into a ****ing contest....

This isnt about me... and when have i said i dont like obeying the law???
What the hell has it got to do with the topic at hand?

[gtxb67]

so you would have declined the offer to do it, when all of the others were doing it


no contest, just asking a simple question

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

so you would have declined the offer to do it, when all of the others were doing it


no contest, just asking a simple question

Ok ill give you a hypothetical... your in a car show cruise under police escort..
you do a massive burnout. Do you think the cops will turn a blind eye?

I have been in a couple of organised car show cruises, while some of the cars were not registered everyone still had to comply with the road rules etc... no speeding, no burnouts.

So why are these guys given special treatment on open public roads mixed with peak hour traffic?

Again this isnt about me... its about the public perception of car enthusiasts "hoons" etc... and about a level playing field. I dont care about their skill level as some have said. Remember a "famous" F1 driver who was fined for doing a burnout?

[gtxb67]

would you have done it or declined - whether coppers turn a blind eye or not if i drop a wheelspin at a show is irrelevant

the question is relevant, simply because it seemed i missed a point, have you not missed mine

[Jim Goose]

I said earlier that the terms and conditions of people doing the lap on sunday for the car show cruize are not allowed to speed and were to maintain the speed limit and no breaking of road rules while on a closed track....

I am talking about hypocrisy by the state in its add campain about every K is a killer... and the fact that car owners in a cruise on a CLOSED circuit MUST NOT BREAK THE LAW... while race cars driven on an open public road were allowed to speed under Police escort.

Again this isnt about me...

[gtxb67]

since you will not say that you would not have taken part - it could be safe to assume that you would have. if that is the case, isn't there a double standard to complain about it, if you would have taken part. and isn't it therefore hypocrytical to complain about the double standards in your first post, if you have similar double standards yourself

it doesn't matter who anything is about - double standards are double standards

[Jim Goose]

Or maybe you cant come up with a decent form of argument against what I have said you decide to attack the messenger? Which seems quite common here when people cant argue/ discuss something.

I drive over the limit every day and take that risk of getting a fine... that is the law. Again... why the difference between the cruise on a closed circuit and race cars on an open road?

[my_gxl]

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that a lot of threads lately have turned into ****ing contests?

Too much negative crap people.

You are ruining a great site.

[Mr Hardware]

every K over is a thriller

[gtxb67]

there are alot of these threads coming up - too many people have too much time on their hands and therefore have to spend it complaining about everything


is there any proof they were speeding - and even if so, anyone else who would have done it, has no right to complain. obviously the general public can have double standards, but not the authorities

[JC]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

since you will not say that you would not have taken part - it could be safe to assume that you would have. if that is the case, isn't there a double standard to complain about it, if you would have taken part. and isn't it therefore hypocrytical to complain about the double standards in your first post, if you have similar double standards yourself

it doesn't matter who anything is about - double standards are double standards

I think you're missing the point.

We are NOT allowed to speed - you get caught. The public at the car show hosted on a RACE track, have been told they must still obey the normal road based speed limit, despite it being a race track.

But unregistered (and largely unregisterable, probably) race utes have been allowed on public roads, and were speeding (under police escort). If every K over is a killer, why are the ute drivers still alive? Who though allowing them to flaunt the speed limit is a smart thing to do? What sort of message is ALLOWING these cars, unregistered, to speed on public roads sending to all the young guys in cars in FNQ?

The message this is sending is "Every k is a killer, unless you are under police escort, or in an unregistered V8".

[Ben73]

Sounds pretty stupid that the roads were closed off to make a racetrack where you had to obey the law on.


If I had a police escort on public roads and the cops were speeding, I would do it as well.

[krzysiek]

I don't think you guys are getting the point OP is making. To me it is quite "clear", I don't yet understand why we are making a big deal out of him being "jealous" or whatever. His point is completely valid.

He isn't talking about the actual race right now. It wasn't the race day that he was referring to.

What the OP is referring to is that these V8 supercars were DRIVIGN AROUND TOWNSVILLE, Townsville being some suburb where the AVERAGE PERSON is also driving on the road. These guys are speeding around, for no apparent reason.

Now I won't go into saying yes or not in regards to if they were actually speeding - but if you guys cannot see the hypocrisy then we are ****** as a nation.

The police do WHATEVER they can to **** us over as soon as we speed, no matter what.

But then these guys with "training" come along and speed on the road while others are using it? Excuse me, training or not. Roll bars or not. You should NOT be speeding when there are "UNTRAINED" or "AVERAGE" people driving on the road with you.

Sure, the racecar drivers might be better than average drivers. But what about Joe Blow just driving around town, should he have to deal with these guys speeding?

Point being: the police say speeding is dangerous. Then why are they speeding with everyday drivers on the road?

Personally, I don't give two hoots for this topic - I just felt compelled to chime in when I saw people giving OP flack because they couldn't look past the person attacks at him. Wish I could get a special "I'm trained" license that allows me to speed while people from the public are still on the road.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by JC

The public at the car show hosted on a RACE track, have been told they must still obey the normal road based speed limit, despite it being a race track

i assume you know what the public liability insurance policy said. is there just a small chance that the insurance policy has a clause that anyone who is not sanctioned by the governing body are not allowed to go over a certain speed

Originally Posted by krzysiek

Now I won't go into saying yes or not in regards to if they were actually speeding - but if you guys cannot see the hypocrisy then we are ****** as a nation

yes coppers and governments can be hypocrytical - but then so can just about everyone, including aff members. and the fact that many here cannot see it is why we are ****** as a nation

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

i assume you know what the public liability insurance policy said. is there just a small chance that the insurance policy has a clause that anyone who is not sanctioned by the governing body are not allowed to go over a certain speed



yes coppers and governments can be hypocrytical - but then so can just about everyone, including aff members. and the fact that many here cannot see it is why we are ****** as a nation

And what liability do the race cars have when speeding on open public roads?
Do I have evidence they were speeding? OMG NO I DONT.... Sorry but my speed camera was being calibrated. But again keep attacking the person and forget the message.

The cars were speeding.... the posted limit was 70kmh. A great deal of Townsville drivers speed along this road, mostly doing 80kmh. ALL of the Police cars and the V8 utes were overtaking EVERY SINGLE CAR.
The cars on that road were not going slow, they were at the very least doing 70kmh. I was standing in a car park and watch the convoy come past. Most of the utes were at wide open throttle and i would estimate 100kmh in the 70 zone as they were all trying to catch up to the lead Police car.

But just keep attacking the messenger...

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

But just keep attacking the messenger...

your first line was to attack a post of mine that you chose to take out of context - or maybe, you did not understand. maybe you should learn how to read

[prydey]

Originally Posted by krzysiek

I don't think you guys are getting the point OP is making.

the same can be said for the point gtxb67 is making. it is also hypocritical to whinge about the actions of a group of people if, given the chance, you would do the same thing if you were involved.

its a bit pot and kettle stuff.

also, who judged that the cars were speeding? the OP says they were obviously speeding due to them 'passing a lot of cars'. could it not be possible that the cars being passed were driving well under the limit?

you can't have your cake and eat it too. don't whinge about the speeding laws, and then in the next breath, whinge about people breaking the speeding laws.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by my_gxl

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that a lot of threads lately have turned into ****ing contests?

Too much negative crap people.

You are ruining a great site.

You haven't been here a long time have you?