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Hi All, A mate from the Charger club of WA sent me a link to this Video as a warning to anyone in WA looking to have a restoration done. Think twice and do your research before committing and or handing over any dollars.
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After experiencing first hand the absolute rubbish work 'Tradespeople' can do I feel the whole industry needs a shakeup.
Hows this for an idea? All work over $X,XXX dollars needs to go through a process where 20% of the cost of work is held by a 3rd party (earning interest). Work is done, customer is happy, signs off on work and tradie gets money in full and a little bit more from earnings. Or.. Work is done, customer isn't happy and tries to sort it out with tradie. If no resolution an external inspector comes out and depending on outcome the party at fault pays. Repairs are done or 20% is kept as compensation to go towards repairs with balance being paid back to original tradie if any. The only people that need to worry are the ones that do rubbish work. Don't see why it shouldn't work. Bit like how rental bonds are held by bond agency and the tribunal helps with disagreements regarding its return for a nominal fee.
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While the video is a good idea and I am interested to watch it, is there a cut down 2-3 minute video for someone like me who doesn't want to see 23 minutes of someone elses misfortune?
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But customers don't help the situation either because they're always after work done yesterday and at the cheapest price. |
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And they want a top quality job using the best parts.
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Restoration of an old car is a minefield of disasters.
I've completed one and it was a headf&%$k from start to finish that I will never embark on again. In defence of restorers. If you want a "full" restoration on car like above completed by others for you and you are not prepared to drop somewhere in the vicinity of $100K IMO you will have issues and compromises in the end product. A full restoration address every component of the car and that takes countless hours. |
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Any idea on how much they paid?
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I agree Stefan, its when people DO drop the 100K (I have many family members who have) and the job is still average... Eg I have a rellie who has a original 71 challenger R/T. (original bblock car but it now has a 426 hemi!). Anyway after two workshops and more than 30K in paint/body alone its still average at best.
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Rock the originality. Save the pretty boy stuff for new cars. Keep your money.
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Damn, that poor lady got ripped off hard.
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I think she says around $37k plus $2-3k in costs.
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What about striking a deal on progress payments. In order for the next step of the resto to proceed the existing costs are finalised and paid upon the owners satisfaction. I did that with a builder, paid for a certain amount of work, signed off on the work and made changes or rectification to mistakes/errors and then forked out more cash when I was happy with the work already done. 7 or 8 progress payments later job was done to perfection.
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Not surprising at all,i live in perth and you pay top dollar for average/crap work at best,you have to be in the know about where to go for decent/good work.
They expect you to pay for their stuff ups/mistakes too. A lot of places will spend a lot of time perfecting big dollar cars they personally own to have as poster cars to suck people in and treat customers cars like crap and do rubbish work on them. There is good places in perth I just don't know who they are? I still say there should be a dedicated name and shame thread to save people from being screwed over! Most people are too scared to open up about it which is not good for others that may get done over. |
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And since there IS so many dodgy joints around how do you tell the good from the dodge as a first time customer? Hard to fork out top dollar on a workshop you can't be certain on quality of work. Personally though, I do all the work on my own cars (and house) that way its a known quality. I kind of find it strange when people buy a car to restore but pay others to do it all, maybe that's just me? |
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A presentable restoration takes a long time and a lot of patience to accomplish, and I'm afraid $40,000 these days does not represent the work required to achieve that standard.
The only way to achieve the restoration to your high standards is do it yourself. That goes for body restoration and rust repairs, paint, trimming and upholstery, everything. And learn the skills if you don't know how. It is a labour of love, and really only you will devote the required attention to detail and the time it takes to achieve a high standard of restoration. |
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Everyone the difference is many are being unrealistic in their expectations Eg a $100k resto for 30 and time frames inline with what they see on thse fox tell shows Quote:
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If she only paid 37K and it was a full resto, she got a bargain IMO and quality seems to reflect the price.
These cars can easily eat up 40K just in body work.
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That s really a crappy job for $37000.I reckon shonky around the corner would have done better job for $5000.They didn't even take fittings off before painting as can be seen with the overspray on the front indicator lights.Runs,dented trims,crap carpet,bits left off, the stuff ups go on and on.I'm sure the new apprentice would be fussier in the first month than these cowboys are. As she said some of the job is worse than before it was done
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Labour is expensive and 37K does not buy a lot of panel work, it takes hours and hours to disassemble and re assemble a car, thats why restorations take years in many cases. I completely disassembled my coupe and spend months stripping and cleaning and repairing the bare shell before handing to the panel guy with zero rust. And still cost me around 15K just for paint alone, then came months of re assembly, cleaning parts, paining parts etc etc. Restoring trims alone can eat up 2-3K, interior 5K, glass 2K etc etc There is no way you can get a car restored back to bare metal drive in drive out for 37K, 100-120K would be a starting point then go from there. Anyone that has done a nuts and bolts back to bare metal restoration would know what I am talking about.
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Watch the video. Personally, I think some of the trim gaps, MAY just be what you get on an Australian car built in the 60's or 70's. But the other stuff... $22k for a new paint job that is very poorly finished. Trim pieces LOST or damaged. $7k for an engine rebuild that was never done. |
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37K does not buy a full drive in drive out restoration, no where near.
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And here's the thing. Ultimately there is NO excuse for doing a ****** job. NONE.
If its a $50k job, then quote $50k. If the customer only has $40k, then AGREE on compromises or items that won't be touched. |
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Full drive in drive out restorations run at around 100K plus, whats to say she did not run out of money and said just put it back together as cash has run out?? Who knows?? $37K for full restoration should say it all, about 60-80K short of a mint job.
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Been there myself, I had things like radiators and interior trim done by recommended specialists, only go back there, pay them to get the bits back then take them home to completely redo them myself. Learned that for the job to be done properly, I had to do it myself. Quote:
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$37k on something as clean looking in the OP should get you some wheres and with something a little more presentable
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