Covid 19 -

[russellw]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Russell, you are a good numbers guy. Based on what you are seeing, in your opinion, is it being "controlled"?

Vic government have said they are still concerned with the numbers, but at least it is not in the thousands and growing exponentially. Not sure what to make of that.

The trend analysis I shared earlier mentioned peak period predicted between 22nd and 26th. Today is the 26th. Next week's numbers will be critical?

I don't think it is being 'controlled' per se except perhaps in those countries that don't much like being transparent (Russia and China spring to mind).

I think a large number of countries simply don't have the infrastructure or funding to perform large scale testing - for example, the total population of all the countries that have tested less than 1% is 2.3B people and 6.8B for those where less than 10% have been tested so that leaves an awful lot of scope for under-reported cases.

For some, we will never get the full picture.

I can't see Africa ever getting close to full testing. Indeed, only 1 of the 37 countries that make up the continent has tested more than 10% and only 14 have tested more than 1%.

Likewise, only 2 of the 14 South American countries are over 10% testing; 12 of the 49 Asian countries; 6 of the 49 North American countries and even in Europe it's only 19 of the 48.

Thus we'll be left guessing what the real fatality rate from infections is simply because we'll never be able to define the actual number of infections - although we might eventually get some localised data that is accurate enough albeit based on very small numbers.

[Franco Cozzo]

Hows our Mexicans going with the masks? I find I end up fiddling with mine heaps and it comes on/off a fair bit during the day. I've gone to one of those motorcyclist type face coverings as its easier to breathe through. Though its harder to talk through than the normal face mask but the normal one is uncomfortable AF on your ears, it has hair ties and it cuts up behind your ears.

The only thing the mask is doing is protecting me from is Victoria Police

I'm suspect on the push for masks, I doubt some ****ing hippy who is making masks from **** bought from Spotlight on her sewing machine is going to do anything about reducing numbers.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Hows our Mexicans going with the masks? I find I end up fiddling with mine heaps and it comes on/off a fair bit during the day. I've gone to one of those motorcyclist type face coverings as its easier to breathe through. Though its harder to talk through than the normal face mask but the normal one is uncomfortable AF on your ears, it has hair ties and it cuts up behind your ears.

The only thing the mask is doing is protecting me from is Victoria Police

I'm suspect on the push for masks, I doubt some ****ing hippy who is making masks from **** bought from Spotlight on her sewing machine is going to do anything about reducing numbers.

We've been wearing them when out since March so we've got used to them. We now each have two pairs of 3-layer washable cloth masks and have been using N95's foe the (rare) shopping trips and other travel.

While they are not a panacea, if they slow down the rate of infection then it's a step in the right direction.

[.:4:.]

Am i the only person who doesnt mind social distancing as its a proper excuse to not have to deal with people? Also doing the polite thing and stepping to the side to let someone pass, these days they actually say thanks. Plus in line to say pay for things, people give a little personal space. Its great. In line, standing way too close doesnt make the line move faster. I like the way that whilst the situation isnt one with any positives, but from a social standpoint, its bought back to a degree some form of etiquette.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

Am i the only person who doesnt mind social distancing as its a proper excuse to not have to deal with people? Also doing the polite thing and stepping to the side to let someone pass, these days they actually say thanks. Plus in line to say pay for things, people give a little personal space. Its great. In line, standing way too close doesnt make the line move faster. I like the way that whilst the situation isnt one with any positives, but from a social standpoint, its bought back to a degree some form of etiquette.

+1. Pre covid there was a lot less etiquette, politeness and general manners with queues, and some the time I felt like punching people in the face because of their rudeness. Now with social distancing in place, people are a lot more aware of others, showing a little more courtesy and gratitude and allowing people more personal space.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by blueoval

+1. Pre covid there was a lot less etiquette, politeness and general manners with queues, and some the time I felt like punching people in the face because of their rudeness. Now with social distancing in place, people are a lot more aware of others, showing a little more courtesy and gratitude and allowing people more personal space.

We are creatures of habit. Prior to spending time in London, I hated crowds and people getting into my personal space. When I came home from living in London, I felt uncomfortable not being in crowded place....almost a feeling of vulnerability. Very hard to explain.

I think post Covid, it will take a while for people to feel comfortable in crowds again. I imagine there will be a period of time where people will be less tolerant of others moving into their personal space. But eventually we'll all go back to the way we were. Honestly, if the AFL grand final was to be played at the MCG this year, and we had no restriction, I don't think we would get capacity.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

Am i the only person who doesnt mind social distancing as its a proper excuse to not have to deal with people? Also doing the polite thing and stepping to the side to let someone pass, these days they actually say thanks. Plus in line to say pay for things, people give a little personal space. Its great. In line, standing way too close doesnt make the line move faster. I like the way that whilst the situation isnt one with any positives, but from a social standpoint, its bought back to a degree some form of etiquette.

Ha! I was perfectly competent at social distancing before it became a thing. People can be hard work!

[Tickford.]

Another legal firm offering assistance to those refusing to wear masks.

[Franco Cozzo]

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...26-p55fhw.html

Got me runnin' shoes ready for the 850km rona relay

By 'runnin' shoes' I mean wheels
By 'rona relay' I mean M80 Ring Road

Mask clashes update:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...26-p55fmi.html

[russellw]

455 new cases for Australia and 10 deaths sees the CMR rises to 1.076% and active cases rise to 5,229. NSW recorded 14, WA recorded 2 and the balance were in Victoria.

0 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.414% and active cases remain at 21.

The UK recorded 745 new cases and 14 deaths yesterday so the CMR drops to 15.280%.

Just over 67k new cases in the USA yesterday and 908 deaths sees CMR down to 3.462% and active cases at 48.8% with the raw numbers still rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global deaths pass 650k with the last 50k only taking 8 days;
India completes 16M and Saudi Arabia 3M tests;

Kenya (960), Dominican Republic (2,012), Iraq (2,862) and India (50,525) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[russellw]

In Australia, 64% of identified cases are in the under 50 age group with males having 137 cases / 100k and females 102/100k.

That obviously leaves 36 % of cases in the over 50 age group at 152/100k for males and 130/100k for females so in both genders the infection rate is higher in the over 50's age group - or less of the under 50's are getting tested.

153 of the 155 deaths have been in the 50+ age group with the CMR worsening as you get older - it's zero up to 40; 0.11% for 40-49; 0.16% for 50-59; 0.84% for 60-69; 4.47% for 70-79 and 16.97% for the over 80's.

[Franco Cozzo]

Bonanza! 532 new cases in VIC.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/coro...27-p55fnz.html

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Bonanza! 532 new cases in VIC.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/coro...27-p55fnz.html

That will set another new high for daily cases in Victoria and with the 27 in NSW will also set a record for the country as a whole; eclipsing the previous high of 537 on March 22nd.

[cheap]

Unfortunately flattening this 2nd outbreak will take more time than the first.

The first C19 outbreak was in decline by week 3-4.

We are now into week 5 of the 2nd outbreak with no seen abatement.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by cheap

We are now into week 5 of the 2nd outbreak with no seen abatement.

People appear more defiant the second time around.

[HIPO]

I see MSM in the US is saying, BLM protests aren't causing any spikes.... funny how anything else peeps go to or do,"does".

[HIPO]

Originally Posted by HIPO

I see MSM in the US is saying, BLM protests aren't causing any spikes.... funny how anything else peeps go to or do,"does".

This also shows, just how those that are really behind most of the MSM these days, regard the general populations lack of common sense & blind willingness to believe what is in print or on TV etc.
Theres so much real info out there,by smart honest minds, if peeps would just question & or cross reference whats being rammed down their throats by so called experts!

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by HIPO

This also shows, just how those that are really behind most of the MSM these days, regard the general populations lack of common sense & blind willingness to believe what is in print or on TV etc.
Theres so much real info out there,by smart honest minds, if peeps would just question & or cross reference whats being rammed down their throats by so called experts!

Critical thinking is shunned in society these days. You get labeled a tin foil hat wearer, a 'Karen' or 'Boomer' if you do not follow the narrative. Just sit in your corner and drink the Koolaid please.

[T3rminator]

Did everyone miss this?
Very bold to make the statement even though it's just a projection. If he gets it wrong, Labor bashers will have an absolute field day.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Did everyone miss this?
Very bold to make the statement even though it's just a projection. If he gets it wrong, Labor bashers will have an absolute field day.


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Honestly we’ve all had enough.

Hopefully this situation will just get better.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Did everyone miss this?
Very bold to make the statement even though it's just a projection. If he gets it wrong, Labor bashers will have an absolute field day.


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Maybe you missed the statement from the same guy dated 11th July ?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...b00b1c423d2908

Most sensible people have unpacked the political BS being fed to them and realise that the 2nd outbreak has someways to go.

[George V]

I am glad it has not gone up exponentially; It is never going to be easy to bring it under control the second time around.

It also highlights some of the underlying issues in our society; taking social responsibility, doing the right thing for common good, different communities approaching these issues from different viewpoints, impact of more casual workforce in some industries etc.

Time will tell; we will get through this. Just considering ourselves in NSW lucky for the time being.


Regards,
George V

I'm in qld so not in a hotspot but whenever i meet up with people i have bad dreams that wake me up at night and fill me with a sense of dread. I guess it's a bit of anxiety but gee it sucks.
Anyone else getting this?

[Franco Cozzo]

Avi Yemini talking about masks

https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/statu...232481792?s=09

Makes a lot of sense, the person at Bunnings or the police aren't the people you have a crack at, they're just doing their jobs.

[gooseneck]

Originally Posted by leesa

Anyone else getting this?

I did a few years ago until I figured out what it was. Gluten

Could be an allergy or could be that you recently had your gall bladder removed? Removing the gall bladder means your no longer producing the enzyme which breaks down gluten in the gut/intestines as a result the gluten removes the lining from your intestine and leaks directly into the bloodstream and then into the brain causing inflammation and really intense nightmares. Throbbing pain, auditory hallucinations, extreme paranoia, severe anxiety, mood swings, etc.

In either case I would start looking at your diet and removing certain ingredients. Start by removing Gluten.

Originally Posted by gooseneck

I did a few years ago until I figured out what it was. Gluten

Could be an allergy or could be that you recently had your gall bladder removed? Removing the gall bladder means your no longer producing the enzyme which breaks down gluten in the gut/intestines as a result the gluten removes the lining from your intestine and leaks directly into the bloodstream and then into the brain causing inflammation and really intense nightmares. Throbbing pain, auditory hallucinations, extreme paranoia, severe anxiety, mood swings, etc.

In either case I would start looking at your diet and removing certain ingredients. Start by removing Gluten.

I'm sorry to hear you had that, it sounds terrible but quite a bit more extreme as I'm just getting bad dreams that wake me up through the night and leave me feeling uneasy. Seems to happen after days where I think I've been reckless by meeting up with someone.

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Starts off mild. Will get more and more intense, some days you wake up thinking you are going to die. Stays with you for about a minute. I've been told it's a panic attack. I had it often during a bad period. Haven't had one for a while now. It's a rush but a really terrible rush.

2020 is probably going to go down as my worst year on record.
All those years that I complained about how much of a ****ty year it was.... I take it back.. they weren't so bad afterall.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by leesa

I'm in qld so not in a hotspot but whenever i meet up with people i have bad dreams that wake me up at night and fill me with a sense of dread. I guess it's a bit of anxiety but gee it sucks.
Anyone else getting this?

Starts off mild. Will get more and more intense, some days you wake up thinking you are going to die. Stays with you for about a minute. I've been told it's a panic attack. I had it often during a bad period. Haven't had one for a while now. It's a rush but a really terrible rush.

[buggerlugs]

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busi...119c5939fe384c

And now she "needs" the Police as media swarm her place....................

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busi...119c5939fe384c

And now she "needs" the Police as media swarm her place....................

The best part is everyone keeps raising the profile of these people, the media is giving these people a national audience and is helping spread their views.

I'd love the media to rock up at my place, I'd have a bucket of human feces ready to throw over them on national TV to tell them what I think of these cheap propagandists.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The best part is everyone keeps raising the profile of these people, the media is giving these people a national audience and is helping spread their views.

I'd love the media to rock up at my place, I'd have a bucket of human feces ready to throw over them on national TV to tell them what I think of these cheap propagandists.

Is your toilet on the blink Franco?