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Very interesting read there Falc'man. Don't wanna tread on your toes but here's a direct link to the full interview with Mullaly which i found to be a very interesting interview.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1519327864&play=1 Interesting how he says he drives a different vehicle every night including competitors to keep on top of what they're doing. It really does continue to look good for ford going into the future. |
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Lincoln, your premium RWD sedan is ready.
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Next Fairlane..LTD ?????????????????????????????
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If ever there was an opportunity to leverage off the RWD expertise of Ford Australia - this is it!
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All too slow, unless Ford NA has been secretly working on a RWD up until now,
a minimum of three years is needed to get an engineered vehicle like Fairlane to the USA.... |
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This will be another genuine mullaly gem, I can tell. They must have something up their sleeves, and it must be good, for it to apparently be enough to rival a BMW or Lexus.
Let's see what they've got eh...
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haha, where's the picture of the Falcon(from the proving grounds) with lincoln written on the rear quarter.
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I wonder if world-class also means global? Hopefully that's the long-term plan.
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I just spent a few weeks in the US and saw a few Lincolns on the roads. For the most part they look great, but too obviously based on their Ford counterpart.
On that theme, this is an interesting article; http://blogs.motortrend.com/6656935/...ght/index.html Right now Lincoln doesn't have a car based model with RWD or V8 , but Cadillac, and any other luxury make worth mentioning, do. Surely that would have to change for them to be truely competitive. |
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Lincoln is very well respected in the USA.
It has topped the satisfied owners list for years, and is revered as a top of the line brand, even more than Cadillac is now. The reason for this, is that lincoln has stayed straight and true, Cadillac on the others have had real clangers like the "Cimarron", and the one where they made a V8 petrol into a Diesel which had the EPA at your door everytime you started it. Then there's been the other models which started off nice, but the rear looked as though it had melted. Nope, Lincoln has one hell of a future and watch this space, Mulally is the genuine article. What he's done to ford is beyond amazing; this guy just keeps getting better and better. Methinks what GM and Chrysler really need is a Mulally in their respective head offices. For those in doubt just remember one other Mulally creation - the Boeing 777. Nuff said?
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Hmmm Lincoln G8E sounds nice
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The only thing they could do with the Falcon at this point in time is copy the tooling and make them in the US. And of course do all the arsing around to make it LHD, but by the time they have finished, it will be closer to the 2014 deadline than you think, and one would imagine that an 'answer' to the 'RWD question' has been given by that time making the interim RWD Lincoln a bit redundant.
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Hopefully it will be powered by General Electric ;)
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and Mulally halted all work continuing on RWD sedans for North America in favor of D3 Taurus FWD/AWD. And since no engineering has been done on a Lincoln RWD or Fairlane, it will take at least three years to happen, E8 will be nearing the end of it's product cycle by then so launching a vehicle so late isn't practical. And also I was responding to the four posts above mine: Quote:
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It sounds like outside of North America, people still think of the Lincoln brand as having the "Town Car" image in their heads when they think of Lincoln, or big old luxo-barges with headlight covers and a vinyl roof with a massive V8. The Fairlane/LTD slowed down in sales in Australia for a reason. It's not going to work here in the US either. I think Mulally is trying to make the brand more high tech and current, not bring it back in to the dinosaur age. I think we will see short wheel base cars, AWD and more EcoBoost (perhaps based on the 3.7 and 5.0 engines). I am thinking 8 speed autos will become common in Lincolns very quickly. I wouldn't rule out RWD, but I don't think we will see a LWB, RWD grandpa car. Just my opinion.
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Falcon can be share platforms, there is nothing stopping it. I thought the Commodore/Camaro is the perfect evidence of it, although the falcon probally can't do it with the ease of the Zeta...
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Also, that White Lincoln car look UGLY! I do hope they do use some of our Falcon though. If it goes global, it will eventually be realised as a cheaper car for us to buy as well (allowing it to take it to the Jap makers)
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Does Ford NA have a performance brand like FPV? maybe that's where we could get falcon into the states? When can we start sending falcons to the UK?
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I doubt very much any RWD product from Australia based on the Falcon or Territory will ever go to America.
Seems to me the markets Ford has its eyes on for Lincoln are China, the Middle East, and Europe. Whether or not the products in mind for these markets will include RWD remains to be seen. I can totally see a premium RWD Lincoln car (or cars) taking off in the Middle East, maybe Europe, particularly if economical engines are offered. I guess the question that needs to be answered is: are RWD vehicles still important to Ford?
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That white thing looks like a quintessential American Barge. Almost as ugly as this Pontiac
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Mercury is dead... good riddance to it, it was a dying brand. I think Ford and Lincoln will pick up a lot of Jaguar and Land Rover technology and class. Ford has several performance brands around the world, that I think it needs to consolidate. You have FPV that specialize on the Falcon, SVT that specializes on the F-150 Raptor and Mustang, then all these third party developers including Prodrive, Cosworth, Roush, Saleen. I think there needs to be one global genuine Ford name on all the cars. It could be SVT, it could be FPV... in reality it doesn't matter which one, it's just a three letter acronym, but they might as well have a global sports brand. They should still be under the Ford brand, so not totally separated like HSV is from Holden. The same name for the top of the line sporty Fiesta should be on the F-150 Raptor and the Falcon GT-HO. Yes, I just said it. ![]() |
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Well said chevypower. I was once given a tip about SVT and FPV; it was a while ago and I'm not sure consolidation is still in the pipeline. There's also the RS division in Europe.
And regarding your question as to what extent they're willing to go with Lincoln... Plans for Lincoln are growing, too. “It could go worldwide,” Mulally said. ....... Ford has other challenges too. The decision to sell all of its luxury brands puts the spotlight on Lincoln, whose year-to-date sales are behind seven other luxury brands “We bought all those other premium brands, right? So we invested less in Lincoln,” Mulally said. “But now with those other brands gone… I think it could go worldwide.” http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11268076 Another little (very recent) tip was the new 5 litre in a Lincoln....
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