XR6 Turbo Driver abuse ??

[ltd]

That's the same as arguing that an RB211 turbofan can do 107%, so why not run it at that all the time. It becomes a durability issue, and as such pilots and companies are advised against doing it.
What redlining does is subject the engine to maximum stresses and design limits, which will only result in decreased durability. What you have described before will take a terrible toll on all parts of the cars driveline, and why you'd want to do that is beyond me. If you want a car that can sufficiently do that with durability, be prepared to pay a lot more for the car than 40k. Let's face it, ford know that the vast majority of their customers do not drive in this manner, that driving this way is not compatible wuth state and territory laws, and they also know that it does not make good business sense to produce a car that can do it particularly when it would cost three times as much to make. That is why peak power and peak torque is never at redline.

[coolkid]

mate im not talking of holding an engine at redline : thats just unexplainable, im just saying a motor should be able to be revved out when accelerating thru the gears ,not held at high revs just taken there and back when driving hard.
or would you suggest keeping 2000rpm away from limiter even when trying to drive flat out.
if this was about a fairmont or something i wouldnt make a deal of it, but the fact is its a perfomance car so i should be abe to be driven with perfomance in mind, i mean wats next hard braking not good for brakes so warranty void or taking corners too fast too much strain on suspension parts.
i know alot of these so called performance cars are driven by people who have never even used full throttle in their lives but that doesnt mean that is how they should be driven

[clontarf_x]

I can see where coolkid is coming from, but LTD is right. The cars *aren't* made for being abused. They are marketed as sports cars, and if you really want to get technical someone who races cars should know how to do so without causing damage/minimal damage.

As for the XR6T in this topic, FORD have to prove that the car was abused (particularly the part that failed). I'd keep onto them about it. They can however (as people have said) look at the datalogger, and if they see a constant history of high speeds, sharp acceleration, ABS module usage e.t.c, that's more than enough evidence to say you aren't a granny driver and not repair the car

*quick edit*

Another angle of attack is to ask them if they can prove it wasn't hardware failure (i.e faulty). But pretty much they have the ball. If they want to drop it they can

[coolkid]

my argument is not that ford should cover a car thats been abused but what they think constitutes abuse, surely when engineering the performance cars they test them to within an inch of their life, so surely they can be driven in a performance manner.
otherwise answer me this what is the point of owning a perrformance car and never using that peromance ,cos it really annoys me when i see people i know buy these type of cars and never ever use it to its potentiol
i mean surely no one on here buys a performance car just for show do they?

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by coolkid

my argument is not that ford should cover a car thats been abused but what they think constitutes abuse, surely when engineering the performance cars they test them to within an inch of their life, so surely they can be driven in a performance manner.
otherwise answer me this what is the point of owning a perrformance car and never using that peromance ,cos it really annoys me when i see people i know buy these type of cars and never ever use it to its potentiol
i mean surely no one on here buys a performance car just for show do they?

I think your friends are buying in the wrong segment if they expect to thrash it and not break something. Try the $100k+ cars for that, and even then your not guaranteed 100%.

They are absolutely tested rigorously (fords own tests and ADR etc), but there is a point in which a sub $60k car will die. These cars are made for the general pop, and they most certainly can take a beating. Forum members rides are tribute to that. Some break, some dont, but you cant expect them to cover everything for that price.

[BAxtER]

You really need to contact fair trading, and if that doesnt solve the issue ACA and today tonight, good luck with it al and hopefully you get a good outcome

[coolkid]

i fully agree with wat everyone is saying regarding abusing a a car and expecting it to live but has anyone actually read wat ihave been writing do you guys really think that is abuse?

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by coolkid

i fully agree with wat everyone is saying regarding abusing a a car and expecting it to live but has anyone actually read wat ihave been writing do you guys really think that is abuse?

And we see what your saying but..

1) we have one side of the story from a guy who has just signed up
2) we are not talking about billy carts here. Its a large purchase and any company would go broke if they didn't draw the line somewhere.

This "abuse" could be anything. Im not saying that his lying, but Im pretty sure there would be more to the story.

Was it completely stock? No edit? Because as someone else said, if you mod then you know what you are doing.

There are cases of things breaking, cars will never be 100%, and its in this case where you would expect to be fully covered by a warranty.

Usually there is two sides to the story, and unfortunately we wont get one side.

[XR06T]

well if that is the best they can do it is time to take another route. how can a clutch overheating make a bit of metal explode?

like mal wood said on the other forum, he can fix it for alot cheaper than that! the other guy with the same problem got a nice clutch upgrade and blueprinted box for ~4k iirc.

where is fords proof that it was drive abuse? because the failure cause cannot be found, surely they cant assume it was drive abuse.

this is the smelliest bullshit i have ever heard someone get fed.

[Squalo]

Originally Posted by XR06T

like mal wood said on the other forum, he can fix it for alot cheaper than that! the other guy with the same problem got a nice clutch upgrade and blueprinted box for ~4k iirc.

The damage is a lot more extensive than just a blown clutch.

[XR06T]

Originally Posted by Squalo

The damage is a lot more extensive than just a blown clutch.

http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/in...4&#entry566397

this guy had the exact same thing happen and i think the final bill was around 4k.

[TURBOTAXI]

After legals you might break even? I would keep up the argument with the dealership and get things started with fair trading. You dont need to end up out of pocket here. I have not seen any forum member suggest selling the car. Many folk here have had this debate with ford and there have been plenty of great suggestions. I think that seling the car would be ill informed - though it might make your legal advisor more wealthy? So what if the engineers report is inconclusive, the car has 4500k and is under warranty. I got about $4000 worth of work on an ex police XR6T with 93,000k. If the first report is not helpful, find one that is. I would rather drop $400 on another report than get into a protracted legal argument. The legal test for fair trading tribunal is more open and easier for you to satisfy than a criminal or civil case.

If you are going to take advice, I always choose to take it from somone who has reached the objective I want to reach.

Good luck

[GT-E]

Mate you are doing EXACTLY what Fraud want you to do.
They are bending you over and you are sayign thanks.

Go down the path of Fair trading and 13Ford as they will come to the party.
If the car failed on the highway, then I do not see how they can say it was abuse, unless you were using the clutch pedal as a foot rest.
If the clutch was faulty and did overheat, then it is a 100% warranty claim and you should fight for it.
Going to court for loss is a waste of time and money as you will never win, only lawyers win in court.