Tattoo's, Opinions....

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

i dont have any tattoos . i've always wanted one on my arms . but dont have the guts or motive to do it . i guess they are like moles or birthmarks , i'm sure you waouldnt ask for one , so why ask for a picture on your skin . but it's personall choice . more women than men get them these days . i hate them on the bak shoulder or neck or boobs . the plumbers cracks ok though , because i can look at that and pretend i'm looking at the tatt when my wife slaps me .

Thats the worst. Just ruins them.

[MAV50L]

A wise man once said "The only difference between tattooed people and non tattooed people is that tattooed people do not care if you are tattooed or not".
I have 3 (two because I wanted them and one on my wrist for my diabetes) and they are decisions I will never regret. I just wont go past the sleeve line as there are way too many judgemental people in the world with jobs etc.
My diabetes one is the exception and it was done because in my line of work (Electrical Fitter and Mechanic for an energy provider) I am not allowed to wear any jewellrey so that made it hard to have a medical bracelet on. I have diabetic tattooed on my left wrist as that is generally the first place ambo's etc look if you are on the ground passed out to check your pulse. At least they knwo what to look for could be the issue.

[Auturbo6]

Have a disslike of tattoos, to the point that on a job interview, i won't employ someone if they have a tattoo showing. Even if there the best person for the job. Have also walked away from many a woman upon finding out about personal body art. Don't know why, but tattoo's lower my opinion of thy said person serveral rungs... later.

[pulpist]

A mate of mine, who was in the Navy, has the best one I've ever seen.

On his right forearm are tattooed the words... "will pay $100 for a good piece of a**e"

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Auturbo6

Have a disslike of tattoos, to the point that on a job interview, i won't employ someone if they have a tattoo showing. Even if there the best person for the job. Have also walked away from many a woman upon finding out about personal body art. Don't know why, but tattoo's lower my opinion of thy said person serveral rungs... later.

i cant complain.... i have tattoos and feel the same about AU Falcons..........

[Auturbo6]

LMao, Thing is, i also have contempt for myself for owning an AU. Only slight consolation is that it was given to me. lol

[gtfpv]

[QUOTE=Auturbo6 Have also walked away from many a woman upon finding out about personal body art. Don't know why, but tattoo's lower my opinion of thy said person serveral rungs... later.[/QUOTE]

YOU THINK it might remind you of gang bang videos , or speed snorters .i'm not sure if ever i met a virgin with a tat . that has nothing to do with the tatt though , its just kind of like a pittbull that wont get lock jaw , i just havent met one yet .

[Ohio XB]

Discrimination is discrimination. If your worried about tatts then you must be worried about race, gender, sexual orientation, age, hair colour, religion, weight, acsent economic background so on and so on.

There is discrimination, which is " prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment." Then there is individual (person by person) evaluation. To be prejudice would be to paint with a broad brush those with a specific trait. However, I allow for the individual circumstances for each person with those traits, and that is what I mean by individual evaluation.

I am worried about tatts, but specific kinds of tatts in specific places on the body, rather than tatts in general. This is an individual evaluation. I have one myself.

I don't care about gender, race, religion, weight (unless extreme/deadly in either direction), or accent as along as I can understand it. If I have a hard time understanding someone's accent it is not because I am prejudiced against them, it is because they cannot speak English well enough. Otherwise, as long as I can understand them I don't care what their accent is.

Based on my last 3 paragraphs it would seem that your own statement shows a discrimination towards people who have a dislike for only one trait, and that you believe they will hate for all those other traits as well.


Do you expect the same kind of character from a woman who has a small tattoo of a butterfly on a flower on the back of her shoulder as you do the guy who has a screaming, flaming skull tattooed on the side of his face and neck? I hope not.

Yes, those are two extremes, but that is just to illustrate my point. There is an individual evaluation we make on both of these people, rather than a general discrimination against anyone with a tattoo.



Would you hire this guy?...




He's into piercings so don't discriminate. I am sure he is a dependable, fine man with a high level of self esteem and.....oh I can't go on like that.


Hair color? I am sure this girl will be just wonderful with our schedules of accounts receiveable and payable, as well as making sure our taxes are paid on time.



However, I am sure this kid has green hair for a school spirit day or something.




So, people don't necessarily discriminate against others just for having a tattoo, the color of their hair, or their piercings. Taken into consideration is the degree to which these things are extreme. I have posted some pictures and mentioned some extreme examples, but I would have a low outlook on people who had slightly less intensity of their choosing.

Look into the psychological study of people who do these things, why they do them, how they feel about it, what they get out of it, and what character traits move them in that direction, and you will understand where I am coming from. I am not talking about "knee jerk" stereotypes, I am talking real psychology. Better yet, do some psych studying on your own as well. Take notice how people, all people, behave, and then you will find you can begin to accurately predict how they will respond to a given situation.

That's not prejudice, that's human understanding.


I don't think this guy will be a Dentist....or a new car salesman....or much of anything else. He is too pre-occupied with doing things to himself, and without regard as to how others will perceive him, or the medical repercussions...




...call me prejudiced.



Steve

[FTE217]

Great post Ohio XB you gave me a good lesson to open my eyes more "rep points" to you.

[pottery beige]

looks like Mr Piercings got in a fight with a tackle box....

[Deech]

Originally Posted by Ohio XB

People who wear lots of jewelry (many necklaces, many bracelets, all at the same time, and rings on every finger) are identified by psychologists as people with low self esteem.

Originally Posted by Ohio XB

I am talking real psychology.

I'll bet you are.

Low self-esteem doesn't occur as a legitimate diagnosis in it's own right in either the DSM-IV-TR or the ICD-10. However, it (or similar descriptions thereof) do occur as a diagnostic criterion for multiple disorders, the most obvious example being

"Feelings of worthlessness or excessive or innappropriate guilt" (American Psychiatric Association, 2000, p. 356). For the record, this is criterion A7 of Major Depressive Disorder.

With the above said, it is clinically imprecise (and something no professional psychologist is likely to engage in) to diagnose the presence of any psychopathology, citing the presence of a criterion that can in itself only be demonstrated in a behaviour that is speculated to be symptomatic of the criterion.

Now my question: Can you cite a single peer-reviewed published (excluding websites, and must be 15 years old or fewer) scientific finding that directly links jewellery alone (including body piercings, but not including behaviours such as the cutting of wrists) with anhedonia, poor self image or depression?

For the record: Four piercings in the facial region and University education that I paid my way through with half a decade of gainful full-time employment.

American Psychiatric Association (2000) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (4th ed. Text revision) Washington DC: American Psychiatric Association.

[Iggypoppin']

Well.....I got more done on the weekend...and more coming dec 19th. My two characters have a "home" now so to speak.

[svo347]

well this is mine. will finish it eventually. A representation to my partner and kids [IMG][/IMG]

[Iggypoppin']

That looks great. Is that an old tribal up the top I spy?

[svo347]

Yes mate had that done when i was 18 hahah
heres a clearer pic
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[Iggypoppin']

At least it's not as bad as my "mistake" tattoo.!!
Are you planning much for the other arm?

[svo347]

Nah have a tribal dragon that takes up 3/4 of my inner forearm.
Will get the other finished and take it to just under my neckline

[Ohio XB]

Originally Posted by Deech

With the above said, it is clinically imprecise (and something no professional psychologist is likely to engage in) to diagnose the presence of any psychopathology, citing the presence of a criterion that can in itself only be demonstrated in a behaviour that is speculated to be symptomatic of the criterion.

Now my question: Can you cite a single peer-reviewed published (excluding websites, and must be 15 years old or fewer) scientific finding that directly links jewellery alone (including body piercings, but not including behaviours such as the cutting of wrists) with anhedonia, poor self image or depression?

For the record: Four piercings in the facial region and University education that I paid my way through with half a decade of gainful full-time employment.

American Psychiatric Association (2000) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (4th ed. Text revision) Washington DC: American Psychiatric Association.

I will strive to locate the articles you request. I should have some time to commit to that later tonight. I just did some looking around on the internet and found I will not have access to many published peer reviewed articles as I must be a member of certain organizations or publications. However, the internet is a wonderful thing and I should be able to find what I am looking for eventually.

The disorder I am referring to in particular is Body Dismorphic Disorder, which also goes by several other titles. Perhaps you have something in your books on this disorder that will provide the assertion I made in reference to excessive jewelry?

I am sure "Low Self Esteem" is not in of itself a diagnosis but is rather a symptom of a deeper condition. I am not anywhere near as schooled as you are in the field but I have my 46 years of life to fall back on to at least get me up and running on things. I do not compare myself in any way to anyone with a degree in Psychology so your expertise is appreciated.

I am fascinated by most things and have dabbled or reasearched many in my curiosity of things, the world around me, and whatever crosses my path. I remember learning about the jewelry issue years ago. As mentioned, my mother inlaw is a direct example of BDD.

However, as a Journeyman Toolmaker I do not throw out references to colloquialisms and nomenclature that pertains to heat treating of ferrous metals, such as martensite and austenitic crystaline structures of camshafts and crankshafts that laymen would not understand, so I'd appreciate it, and perhaps others as well, if layterms were used in this conversation. Thank you.


I'll be back later.

Steve

[Ohio XB]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Great post Ohio XB you gave me a good lesson to open my eyes more "rep points" to you.

Thanks for the kudos, but I need to substantiate my assertions yet. I'll be back later tonight (local time, lol) to do so.

I realize my views are my views. I base my views on both what I have learned science says and what I have experienced. What I experience I view objectively so that I do not form inaccurate generalizations. I don't want to look like an idiot. There are always exceptions to the rules though and that is allowed for. Hey, that's the way it is, what else are ya gonna do? I always listen to what others have to say as well. I've learned a lot that way and also got corrected several times. How does THAT make me feel? Better, knowing that I am not going around believing something that is inaccurate.


.......and that's a demonstration in how to ramble in conversation.


Steve

[pottery beige]

wise man once told me... dont think about life to much your head will hurt.......

[Ohio XB]

Deech, here is an article mentioning excessive, or rather large, jewelry in a study of BDD. It is written by D. Vealea, L. De Harob, C. Lambrouc, and their credentials are:

Department of Psychiatry and Behavioural Sciences, Royal Free Campus, Royal Free and University College School of Medicine, University College, University of London, London, UK

West London Mental Health Trust, London, UK

Department of Psychology, Institute of Psychiatry, University of London, London, UK

http://www.veale.co.uk/PDf/Cosmetic%...20in%20BDD.pdf


The article states on page 5: "Examples of safety behaviours in our sample included looking down or not allowing others to see their side profile; trying to hide their nose behind their hand or their hair; or wearing large jewellery to distract others from looking at their nose."




Here is a reference to excessive jewelry being present in cases of Bipolar Disorder in which depression and low self esteem are a part:

Bipolar Disorder (DSM-IV-TR #296.0–296.89)

http://www.brown.edu/Courses/BI_278/...20Disorder.pdf

On page 2: Excessive jewelry and flamboyant clothing are especially popular.


Here is an article published by the American College of Physicians about Bipolar Disorder:

http://www.acpmedicine.com/bcdecker/...x/dxrx1302.htm

Bipolar Disorder
Hasan A. Baloch, MD
Jair C. Soares, MD

Thorough Medical and Psychiatric Evaluation

Medical history and physical examination

Detailed substance-use history

Thorough mental status examination findings may include the following:
*Eccentric dress, brightly colored clothing, excessive make-up, or multiple pieces of jewelry
*Euphoria, excitement, intrusiveness, or irritability
*Psychomotor agitation and an increase in goal-directed activity
Increased rate and rhythm of speech


And lastly, here's a reference to DSM-IV 296.(multiple designations) Bipolar I disorder:

http://nursingcareplan.blogspot.com/...disorders.html

"Grooming and clothing choices may be inappropriate, flamboyant, and bizarre; excessive use of makeup and jewelry."




Like I said, I am limited as to access for many published, reviewed articles. I found many with the info you requested but the pages with those statements were inaccessible to me. I hope what I have posted here lends credence to my previous statement, that the wearing of excessive jewelry is an indication of low self esteem, which as you stated is a diagnostic criterion of a Major Depressive Disorder.


Steve

[Ohio XB]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

wise man once told me... dont think about life to much your head will hurt.......

...and thus the wise man keeps his advantage on wisdom and knowledge.



Steve

[Fev]

Can anyone reccomend a tattooist in Sydney who is really good to the point of legendary at highly detailed colour tats?

I'm looking at getting something similar to this down my right upper arm from my shoulder down to just below my elbow. I know the level of detail will probably have to be reduced but still, thats what i'm looking at getting. I've been thinking about it for 4 years now and it's the only tattoo i've stuck with wanting, other then a Tiger scene on my lower leg dedicated to my late grandma.

Where in Sydney is irrelevant. I'm happy to travel as far as is reasonable for quality work. Since it's so large and will be with me forever I want to do it right.



Not a fan of tribals/black&whites. Colour is my thing.

[Deech]

Deech, here is an article mentioning excessive, or rather large, jewelry in a study of BDD.

Moved to PM.

[Iggypoppin']

Fev, I don't know what's sydneys tattoists are like, but for something like that I suggest going O/S to LA Ink. You'll need a small fortune though, no matter where you go for your tattoo, as a piece that technical is going to need to be redrawn by the artist, then painstakingly(read:slowly) inked onto your arm in many sessions. I have had 3x4 hour sessions approx and my arm still isn't finished. Cost? $1100 and climbing. Mine isn't even all that technical, but use this as a guide when you approach shops. I suggest going to the most well known shops and checking out their photographed work(most shops have books of their work on display for you to look at) as well as the awards they have won. My tattooist has an amazing collection of his work on display as well as countless awards. The proof is right there on my arm to see. I suggest getting a rough quote as a guide, adding $500 to it to be safe, and then arranging with your chosen artist a set bunch of dates for work. Usually they will request 3 weeks between visits to allow the skin to heal, so you could be up for several months of constant inking. This will also depend on your financial situation.
Hope this helps you bud!

[Fev]

Yeah i know its not going to be cheap. I just wanna get it started and then add along to it as i go, it doesnt need to be all complete as soon as possible.

[Iggypoppin']

Have you researched an artist yet?

[v gate]

Would i hire him i dont know nothin about him so how can i make a decision.
I have met
big men that wouldnt hurt a fly.
pretty women that i dont like.
skinny guys that are strong as an ox.
fat guys that can run fast.
smart people that do really stupid things.
people that go to church at the pub.
clean cut people that aint so clean.

I could go on and on. My veiw on it may be different to yours but thats life hey.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by v gate

Would i hire him i dont know nothin about him so how can i make a decision.
I have met
big men that wouldnt hurt a fly.
pretty women that i dont like.
skinny guys that are strong as an ox.
fat guys that can run fast.
smart people that do really stupid things.
people that go to church at the pub.
clean cut people that aint so clean.

I could go on and on. My veiw on it may be different to yours but thats life hey.

to many people are quick to judge go stuff that in ya pipe and smoke it......

[04redxr8]

Does any one know anymore about the Queensland guy who argued with his tattooist while have a dragon done on his back?

The story I heard, is that he decided to argue with his tattooist, (don't know about what) while having ink done. The tattooist, instead of drawing a dragon on his clients back, then drew a male appendage instead.

Sorry if I but I just thought it was kinda related and that would be a tattoo that you would never want. Also, how stupid would you have to be to argue with somebody, doing a tattoo on your back?