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18-06-2007, 02:14 AM
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Spr Jenkins
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Is any one running a 6 throttle body manifold? I know RPD do one for $1500, and I was wondering if anyone ran them on their AU and reckoned it was worth the cash?
I know that they provide better breathing by having an individual throttle body and intake trumpet for each cylinder and this in turn improves throttle response and power, but by how much, and how serious would you have to be to run this set up?
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18-06-2007, 02:31 AM
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You'd need a hell of a lot of work done .... the RPD version that I have seen didn't really show that big an increase in dyno figures ... so I don't really see it being that appropriate for road vehicles.
If it had dual length runners it might be handy .. but the shorter the runners ... the lower the torque ... better to-end though (but when it comes to driveability you need the torque). Might work well on a dedicated track car ... but needs to be tuned properly ... and extensive headwork along with a matched cam too.
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18-06-2007, 02:33 AM
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On the money there mate its all about combo. If your cam and head combo can breathe as much then go for it! When you start to get into aftermarket manifolds you reeaaaally play with the engines characteristics you have to determine what suits it best. I recomend it if you got a nice big juicy cam, a bit more compression and the head ported to suit. Mechan1k - True about the Jays RDP dyno results but they werent ones to show pony on a dyno they were all about timeslips and the project never got pushed that far that the car was tuned 100% and run at the track back to back. Common sense dictates what this manifold would do though....
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18-06-2007, 02:55 AM
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I imagine it would increase throttle response quite a bit tho
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18-06-2007, 03:12 AM
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Spr Jenkins
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Yeah, its not something that will be done straight away as I need the manual conversion, diff gears( 2 weeks
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18-06-2007, 09:45 AM
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Spot on the money. The car really has to spend the time on the dyno. There is math formulas to help you out but they wont give you an exact they work well as a guide. Problem is fabricating the manifold since they dont do it anymore!
With a plenum equiped car you also get hermholtz resinence at a specific rpm (tuned by runner length) which acts as a little 'boost' that is something an individual throttle body setup wont give but the velocity stacks in itself help that and provide their own little 'boost' response would be freaking nuts.
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18-06-2007, 02:09 PM
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this is the sort of thing best bought as a proven package manifold cam head etc rather than buying the items at different places and hoping it works an edit and heaps of dyno time would be esential
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