Hyundai Genesis V8.Confirmed for Australia. - Page 5

4.0i OHC · 31-08-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RG

Hyundai haven't been a cut price, cheap and cheerful car maker for a few years now Hulk.

Getz?
However, they are phasing it out, and replacing it with the new i20 (which is probably more Yaris level than Barina-cheap-and-cheerful)

Bossxr8 · 31-08-2011, 08:33 PM

Hyundai still admits they have a long held perception of being cheap and cheerful, but they are slowly eliminating that.

naddis01 · 14-09-2011, 09:57 PM

Kia's version...

http://performancedrive.com.au/kia-g...rankfurt-show/

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Kia GT V8 concept images leaked before Frankfurt show
By Hubertus in Concepts, Kia, NEWS, V8 on September 9, 2011 at 8:32 am

Images of the Kia GT V8 concept have been leaked prior to the 2011 IAA Frankfurt Motor Show unveiling. Kia has already provided some preview shots of the new Kia rear-wheel drive sports four-door coupe, which, it seems, will simply be called the Kia GT (as per the rear plates).

Specific details of the new Kia GT concept are still yet to be revealed, however, many believe it will feature a 5.0-litre V8 engine taken from the Hyundai Genesis sedan. If this is the case, power levels would be around 320kW and 500Nm.

What we can tell though is it will look fantastic, in a Kia kind of way. The front end incorporates elements of Kia latest design language showing off the new shape grille with vertical side intakes which look a little bit like those on the new Hyundai Veloster sports coupe.

Other unique touches include slimline side mirrors mounted on the front guards which are likely to be cameras, reverse-swinging rear doors with no B-pillar, and a range of slimline LED lights along the top of the boot lid as well as around the headlights.

Images of the Kia GT V8 interior have also been leaked, showing a very futuristic yet minimalist approach. An LCD screen is blended seamlessly into the central dash fascia while beind the sports steering wheel sits a full LCD instrument cluster.The seats and dashboard layout also feature smooth flowing lines.

We can’t wait for the full details to be revealed next Tuesday, at the start of the 2011 IAA Frankfurt Motor Show. Be sure to check back on our front page for more updates.

THE CADBURY KID · 14-09-2011, 10:00 PM

Cant wait to get smoked by a hyundai at the drags,that way the eb has been beaten by almost every brand of car.
By the sounds of 320 kw its gonna be a ball tearer

blueoval · 15-09-2011, 09:07 AM

Wonder how well these engines go with a bit of boost added?

aussie muscle · 15-09-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

Kia's version...

i dont like how the front fender/scoop covers the headlight. it looks like they put the wrong fender on that car. (hopefully they won't put that on the production version).

aussie muscle · 15-09-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RG

Hyundai haven't been a cut price, cheap and cheerful car maker for a few years now Hulk.

i quote the great clarkson in response to that

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Clarkson

No, no, no. There's no such thing as cheap and cheerful. It's "cheap and nasty" & "expensive and cheerful".

Yellow_Festiva · 24-10-2011, 01:48 PM

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...021-1mbys.html

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Hyundai to launch Genesis luxury brand
Chris Harris
October 22, 2011

Hyundai Genesis Sedan

Korean car maker confirms its assault on luxury market to rival German and Japanese brands.

Hyundai has confirmed it will launch its own global luxury brand, called Genesis, in Australia in just two years’ time, following in the footsteps of Toyota’s Lexus and Nissan’s soon-to-be-revived Infiniti sub-brands.

The Korean car maker is deep in planning for the launch of the Genesis sub-brand — not to be confused with the Hyundai large sedan of the same name — and how it will distinguish itself from its German and Japanese competition.

“A lot of things have to be studied and nothing is concrete at this stage,” Hyundai Australia senior manager of product planning and marketing Roland Rivero told Drive.

“But one that is confirmed is the establishment of the Genesis brand in Australia in a couple of years. That’s 100 per cent.’’

Tentatively priced from the “mid-$40s”, the Genesis brand will initially offer two Korean-built, rear-wheel-drive model lines. One will comprise a mid-size sedan and coupe to rival the likes of the Mercedes-Benz C-Class, BMW 3-Series and Audi A4.

Rivero says the car will be an all-new model and not the current Hyundai-badged Genesis, which was not developed for right-hand-drive configuration.

“The benchmarks for that car have been the Infiniti G37 and [BMW] 3-Series Coupe, so we’re not mucking around with that car. It’s an icon. Hyundai have got their act together for the next-generation [model], so thankfully, that’s coming.”

The Genesis brand’s second model line, a large V6- and 5.0-litre V8-powered sedan, will be positioned to compete with the E-Class, 5-Series and A6 from the aforementioned brands respectively. Hyundai’s Equus limousine is unlikely for Australia, although the company’s in-house 10-speed automatic transmission is likely to find its way into Australia-bound Genesis vehicles.

“The number of Genesis models is still under investigation, we haven’t finalised. I’d like a 3-Series/C-Class competitor and a 5-Series/E-Class competitor. That’s the initial step,’’ Rivero says.

“We can have something that does that initially for us, then we can grow and build from there depending on, obviously, the acceptance of the Australian market.’’

Rivero acknowledges that the luxury-car market is uncharted water for Hyundai as it faces enormous costs and challenges in launching a new brand. Others have tried and failed; Mazda’s Eunos brand was shortlived whileNissan’s Infiniti flopped here initially in the 1990s.

“A product from our company with a sticker price in the$ 50s is still something that’s not comfortable in the eyes of Australians at the moment. We’ve got to work towards that, even our dealer network isn’t used to selling a vehicle that isn’t an SUV of that price tag, for example.”

Rivero says Hyundai will use its foray into more-upmarket models — such as the i40 Tourer it launched last week — as “stepping stones” to launching the Genesis brand.

“If you go back to when Hyundai was just an Excel and Accent company, that was a very different brand and that wasn’t all that long ago. One car, the i30, changed perceptions of Hyundai overall,’’ he says.

“People want to have an affinity to a brand. They want to have bragging rights when they hop into a BMW, a Mercedes or a Lexus and that’s something that we’ve got to work on. It’s baby steps.

“You never really lose the linkage to the mother [brand]. Perceptions are still ‘Toyota’s luxury brand Lexus’ or ‘Nissan’s Infiniti’, so we will tackle this in a similar way, we need to be able to sell these higher-end cars – that’s why Getz is gone. The image has to move towards this modern premium understanding.’’

Rivero uses Lexus’s introduction as an example of launching in Australia with a single model, the LS430 limousine, which was significantly cheaper and better-equipped than its Mercedes-Benz S-Class and BMW 7-Series rivals.

“There was a time when people had the same impression with anything that came out of Japan, but they got there. It takes a lot of money, a lot of investment in the brand and marketing and it also needs a lot of investment in the product,’’ he says.

‘‘We’ve got to have the right product and right marketing and sales campaigns, then we can get there. We’ve got to have faith in ourselves.”

Rivero says other Korean-made products such as consumer electronics brands LG and Samsung were helping to lift the quality perception of Korean manufacturing.

So how will Genesis compare with the likes of Lexus and Infiniti?

Rivero says Korea’s first global luxury brand will take the same approach of “world-class service that goes above and beyond”, which is a “non-negotiable” in the luxury segment.

“Luxury is very different to mainstream. The types of customers, how people behave, how people want to buy their cars, the interactions and, of course the level of service is very different,’’ he says.

‘‘That didn’t happen overnight for Lexus. There will be a clear distinction. It may not be immediately because to launch and establish a brand, there’s a lot involved and you can’t do everything from the get-go,” he says.

Possible retail options include a ‘‘lighthouse’’ dealership in each major city; a ‘‘shop-in-shop’’ arrangement similar to Mini dealerships being located on the same premises as BMW; or even no dealership at all in lieu of a “we come to you” model, which has proved successful in the US.

“I don’t think I’d want to have a Genesis coupe or sedan, for that matter, side-by-side with an Accent on the same showroom floor,” Rivero cautions.

“The Korean philosophy is ‘just get it out there, get people exposed to it and we’ll continue to tweak and improve as we go’, which is extremely different from the Japanese. There’s so much bureaucracy before a decision is made that by the time you’re ready to make that decision or implement that decision the market has moved. Here [at Hyundai], we roll with it,” he says.

“Something I hear a lot in this company is ‘have you tried?’ If we never try, then we’ll never know. But trying doesn’t mean that we’re going to do it half-heartedly. Trying means blood, guts, sweat and tears, which is also part of the Korean way.”

Bossxr8 · 24-10-2011, 05:58 PM

Hyundai and the words luxury and premium do not belong together. They can't even get a car to handle and steer properly yet they still think they can take on BMW and Mercedes.

Luxury cars are all about the badge and the sense of smugness over the peasants. A rebadged Hyundai just doesn't cut it.

flappist · 24-10-2011, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Hyundai and the words luxury and premium do not belong together. They can't even get a car to handle and steer properly yet they still think they can take on BMW and Mercedes.

Luxury cars are all about the badge and the sense of smugness over the peasants. A rebadged Hyundai just doesn't cut it.

Really?

Have you read any of the USA road tests?

Franco Cozzo · 24-10-2011, 06:15 PM

I reckon they should bring the Equus, that thing is great, it'd give other luxury marques a run for their money in terms of features I reckon.

Hyundai and Kia have greatly changed in the last few years, it all started with the Hyundai i30 and for Kia (owned by Hyundai) with their new Sorento with its amazing 2.2L turbo diesel 4 cylinder engine, Sportage SUV and now the Kia Optima.

I tell you that I wouldn't mind one of these Hyundai 5L V8s under a bonnet of one of my cars.

MattsDisturbed · 24-10-2011, 06:23 PM

I must say the styling is very subdued in its stock trim, it's got the odds on being one of the ultimate modern sleepers I reckon. However, would I buy one over a Falcon while they still remain in production and rear wheel drive? Definatly not.
In my (albeit young) generation, Hyundai will always be hardwired into my mind as a budget orientated car company.

tranquilized · 25-10-2011, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Really?

Have you read any of the USA road tests?

I have. The Genesis coupe beat the V6 Mustang and Camaro in a comparison I read a while back. Yet most Australian reviews are quite critical of Hyundai dynamics in general - developed by engineers who dont have driving licenses and have never driven.

Plus, it would take a fair degree off pragmatism to walk past the qualities that the established brands have in spades - namely heritage and image, that have been built up over several decades, just to get what might be a slightly superior car.

Hyundai could design and build the best car in the world tomorrow, but it'll take decades before they can genuinely compete with the established euro brands.

dimka100 · 25-10-2011, 09:08 AM

That is primarily because Australians have never had the opportunity of driving the higher end Hyundai models that have been sold for ages now in the USA and other places … while you are right to say that in the Australian market the Hyundai is still perceived as a low budget alternative to the usual Japanese brands, that image has been quickly fading away with their introduction on numerous new models (specifically the i range) …

As for the new V8 Genesis coupe … believe me it will easily run rings around any Australian made Falcon, and features/quality wise it will leave it 10 years behind …

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Originally Posted by tranquilized

I have. The Genesis coupe beat the V6 Mustang and Camaro in a comparison I read a while back. Yet most Australian reviews are quite critical of Hyundai dynamics in general - developed by engineers who dont have driving licenses and have never driven.

Hyundai could design and build the best car in the world tomorrow, but it'll take decades before they can genuinely compete with the established euro brands.

FPT · 25-10-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dimka100

As for the new V8 Genesis coupe … believe me it will easily run rings around any Australian made Falcon, and features/quality wise it will leave it 10 years behind …

he didn't mention the Falcon yet you seem happy to drag it in and dig the boot into it (which you seem to do quite regularly). Then to say the falcon's ten years behind shows how little you know about the industry in general and about falcon in particular.

The falcon is designed foremost as a budget sedan, designed to take on the Australian conditions, carry 5 adults in comfort, big boot, big towing ability, and it does this better than any other car, especially in view of it's design budget and it's retail price. When talking performance at best the falcon's a grand tourer not a no holds barred track warrior and the fact it does that perfectly shows how accomplished it it. Where's your little coupe now?

Anyway let's wait until it gets here before we start making rash statements.

dimka100 · 25-10-2011, 01:46 PM

I was simply commenting on the fact how ignorant some people are when it comes to Hyundai and numerous other vehicles that are not available in Australia … the Falcon was used as a reference point representing a standard Australian product.

As for the quality of the falcon as a family car type product, I know exactly how it is as I bought a new one and drive one on a daily basis … it does not have auto down/up windows (umm its 21st centry?), the stereo is crappy and I mostly keep it off (try accord euro or mazda 6 and you will know what I mean), poor driving position that feels like I’m on a horse (but wait, it’s a big car surely they could have found some space at the front for the driver to sit comfortably?) … you know what’s really funny, my first car that I got as a teenager (Toyota Soarer) built in 1992 had more high tech features than the falcon does, it also rode better, and was a hell of a lot faster even with the silly Japanese 206kw limit …

And as far as budget goes, go and have a look at the Hyundai USA site for the Coupes pricing, you will see a retail recommended figure well under 30K!, now how’s that for a Falcon being far more expensive as a budget car?

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Originally Posted by FPT

he didn't mention the Falcon yet you seem happy to drag it in and dig the boot into it (which you seem to do quite regularly). Then to say the falcon's ten years behind shows how little you know about the industry in general and about falcon in particular.

The falcon is designed foremost as a budget sedan, designed to take on the Australian conditions, carry 5 adults in comfort, big boot, big towing ability, and it does this better than any other car, especially in view of it's design budget and it's retail price. When talking performance at best the falcon's a grand tourer not a no holds barred track warrior and the fact it does that perfectly shows how accomplished it it. Where's your little coupe now?

Anyway let's wait until it gets here before we start making rash statements.

FPT · 25-10-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dimka100

I was simply commenting on the fact how ignorant some people are when it comes to Hyundai and numerous other vehicles that are not available in Australia … the Falcon was used as a reference point representing a standard Australian product.

Looking at your posts in general it didn't look like that at all... pull the other one.

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Originally Posted by dimka100

As for the quality of the falcon as a family car type product, I know exactly how it is as I bought a new one and drive one on a daily basis … it does not have auto down/up windows (umm its 21st centry?), the stereo is crappy and I mostly keep it off (try accord euro or mazda 6 and you will know what I mean), poor driving position that feels like I’m on a horse (but wait, it’s a big car surely they could have found some space at the front for the driver to sit comfortably?) … you know what’s really funny, my first car that I got as a teenager (Toyota Soarer) built in 1992 had more high tech features than the falcon does, it also rode better, and was a hell of a lot faster even with the silly Japanese 206kw limit …

you knew all this and you still bought one?

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Originally Posted by dimka100

And as far as budget goes, go and have a look at the Hyundai USA site for the Coupes pricing, you will see a retail recommended figure well under 30K!, now how’s that for a Falcon being far more expensive as a budget car?

Two different markets and economies between and Australia and US but then I wouldn't expect you to understand something like that.

RG · 25-10-2011, 05:10 PM

I hear it's much easier to gain a clear view on things when you make use of both eyes as opposed to just using the one.

tranquilized · 25-10-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dimka100

I was simply commenting on the fact how ignorant some people are when it comes to Hyundai and numerous other vehicles that are not available in Australia … the Falcon was used as a reference point representing a standard Australian product.

Some of us are ignorant alright, no doubt about it...

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Originally Posted by dimka100

As for the quality of the falcon as a family car type product, I know exactly how it is as I bought a new one and drive one on a daily basis … it does not have auto down/up windows (umm its 21st centry?), the stereo is crappy and I mostly keep it off (try accord euro or mazda 6 and you will know what I mean), poor driving position that feels like I’m on a horse (but wait, it’s a big car surely they could have found some space at the front for the driver to sit comfortably?) … you know what’s really funny, my first car that I got as a teenager (Toyota Soarer) built in 1992 had more high tech features than the falcon does, it also rode better, and was a hell of a lot faster even with the silly Japanese 206kw limit …

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Originally Posted by FPT

you knew all this and you still bought one?

This^

You only need to look to Lexus to see how tough its going to be for Hyundai to do what they're trying achieve. Lexus have been around for what, 20 years? They still aren't quite there, I think they're still percieved as a step down from Merc/BMW/Audi. Thats despite a product thats in many ways as good, if not superior to those brands, and a starting point far above where Hyundai are at right now in terms of market perception.

Franco Cozzo · 25-10-2011, 07:58 PM

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big boot,

I don't get this idea, because a sedan boot is a real pain in the *** to put bigger items into, I have a Focus and if I fold the rear seats down I basically have myself a mini-wagon.

Bossxr8 · 25-10-2011, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dimka100

And as far as budget goes, go and have a look at the Hyundai USA site for the Coupes pricing, you will see a retail recommended figure well under 30K!, now how’s that for a Falcon being far more expensive as a budget car?

You cannot compare prices here to prices in the US. Mustangs are 20k, they would be 40-50k if they sold them here due to import duties and all the tax grabs the government gets on new car sales.

But also in comparison wages are a fair bit higher here than in the US so its all relative I suppose. Minimum wage in the US is like $8 an hour.

Bossxr8 · 01-11-2011, 11:29 AM

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...028-1mnx6.html

It would be a good idea to know what your talking about before you comment on something.

LordFordNZ · 23-11-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...028-1mnx6.html

It would be a good idea to know what your talking about before you comment on something.

The senior manager, Roland Rivero, who made the initial statements is no longer an employee of Hyundai. He appearantly resigned and left suddenly. I would guess he let the cat out of the bag by speaking out of order and Hyundai now have to go into damage control mode and deny everything he said.

Bossxr8 · 23-11-2011, 07:52 PM

They are still saying they have no plans for Genesis to become a sub brand, but who knows.

Whats for sure is that no V8 powered Hyundais are coming here, only the next gen coupe which is 4 cyl turbo and V6.

Pedro · 23-11-2011, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tranquilized

I have. The Genesis coupe beat the V6 Mustang and Camaro in a comparison I read a while back................

Yes, when Motor Trend asked Ford for a V8 Mustang (pre Coyote) to do a comparison test with the Genesis, Ford refused to give then one as they were fearfull of the results.
Motor Trend went ahead and hired a Stang to do the test and it was favourable towards the Genesis in all departments.

Franco Cozzo · 23-11-2011, 08:02 PM

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Ford refused to give then one as they were fearfull of the results.

They should have just lent them one anyway, because nothing was stopping them for hiring it and using that to shame them, then saying how Ford wouldn't come to the party because they where afraid.

dimka100 · 23-11-2011, 09:02 PM

With V6 and I4T offerings like these http://www.caradvice.com.au/145711/2...ht-speed-auto/ Hyundai will not need a V8 initially at all ...