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It appears though that in Toyotas case it wasn't the "unions", it was the actual court that disallowed a change to the agreement. I was always under the impression...and had read in agreements I have been part of...that it can be changed with "agreement of the employer and the employees" in any way. Still no idea why their agreement is so carved-in-stone and unchangeable at all in any way. Weird.
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or don't the union want these people to remain employed? |
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it was four shop stewards that went to court, not to have the agreement rejected, but to prevent Toyota even being able to take a vote.
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I am talking from experience. Where I work RDOs are set in stone. The whole place (3 shifts) takes them on the same day. The company tried moving our RDOs around but the union argued there were no flexible RDO provisions in the EBA so therefore that's that. Monday every 3 weeks the place is a ghost town, busy or not. And as I have said before union heads always use 'shaft' or 'screw' so there you go, I know your true colours. |
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Interesting fact I read today that Toyota has only ever closed one plant since it started making cars (in the US), and even that was only after joint venture partner GM pulled out!
Would be a sad and embarrassing indictment on our (and especially the AMWU's) part if they closed Altona. |
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Because you don't want to know You are ONE EYED and anti union wether there right or wrong. Just for the record an EBA is an agreement between the worker and the company. Why does your company now want to change the AGREEMENT? Regardless of the reasons the LAW states the 2 parties must RENEGOTIATE and then amend the AGREEMENT. Why don't you go to your company and tell them you want a %50 pay rise tomorrow????? I garrantee you they will shove the AGREEMENT in your face and say sorry. Bottom line is your COMPANY is trying to unlawfully breach an AGREEMENT
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Sometimes unions are their own worst enemy you know...our union has very obviously sided with management sometimes, and strangely enough ex-union officials end up in nice jobs within the company. Makes you wonder sometimes...
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I see no problem with what Toyota are trying to achieve if it means continued employment for Aussies. The alternative is not a good thought. As far as enterprise bargaining agreements go, I had them through most of my working life. I signed the first one in 1984. I agreed to meet set key performance targets and they agreed to pay me a certain amount if I achieved those goals. At no time did my signed agreements stop me from being able to renegotiate my EBA. In fact I was always very quick to point out I was more than achieving the set goals and it’s now time to renegotiate. I’ve never had a company not sit down and listen to what I have to say. Neither have I ever had any qualms about selling myself to other employers to achieve what I want. Nor did my employers have any hesitation in showing staff the door if they didn’t meet the targets. It’s part and parcel with running a successful business. Sometime it’s better to give as opposed to losing the lot. . |
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I would believe Toyota if they say it has good intentions, much more so than Ford or Holden. Which one uses more local product? |
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As I said before, if you aren't in the industry in a union supported job then what would you know? And how would you know you could trust Toyota? What are you basing this trust on? Have you worked for them? They are here to make money, no company will lose money and just pay workers at a loss out of good faith.
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Productive employees are ASSETS, not liabilities. Employers take them seriously. If your employer doesn't take you seriously, what does that say about you... |
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Depends on the company really. Massive companies don't care, everyone is expendable.
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However, if you're useless, they will take the hit to get someone that will do it better than you. |
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It all depends on the company, your role and of course the type of person you are. I work for a large company, around 4k+ employees in AU. Yes we are expendable and can be replaced but the downtime, the loss of IP and valuable knowledge cannot be replaced easily. Therefore GOOD employees are nurtured and looked after.
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I have seen first hand many good men with great attitude and skillsets you would never achieve in 5 lifetimes be expended as if they were a casual new starter. I cant speak of other corporations I know nothing of, but in this particular industry sector you really are just a number . Perhaps its just a multinational corp attitude.
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I reckon these unions need to start providing literacy assistance so that their members may be able to articulate more eloquently their interesting and ever so intelligent points of view...
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Sounds like another industry I know of...ahem...
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The multinational corporate mindset is here. The attitude has also spread to the smaller companies with 20 or less staff. Some hardworking colleagues of mine would be laughing at the opinions on industry expressed by "commentators" here Little Andrew Bolt clones under every rock. ![]()
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Centrelink by the sounds of it
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![]() So it's not down time when a new employee comes in? Do you mean they don't need a lot of training, or that things magically happen even though they don't know anything about the operation? And here we go again. It's pretty obvious you're only trying to get a bite to shut this thread down. |
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Yes closure and warnings are looming
How about some constructive comments instead of the cheap childish digs at each other |
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Any company that does this, either made a judgement that the skills/experience weren't required in that position for daily business, or are completely stupid and will fail in time. |
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Closed
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