Ambitious China

nstg8a · 17-08-2020, 02:41 PM

We need war or regime change with China sooner rather than later.

Militarily China still can’t match the west but it’s catching up, fast.
Another 10-15 years, they will be the dominant military super power.

Once China has more than 1-2 modern carriers and can keep them at sea for extended times, that’s when stiff gets ugly.

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Mr_G6ET · 17-08-2020, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

We need war or regime change with China sooner rather than later.

Militarily China still can’t match the west but it’s catching up, fast.
Another 10-15 years, they will be the dominant military super power.

Once China has more than 1-2 modern carriers and can keep them at sea for extended times, that’s when stuff gets ugly.

Regime change is off the table Xi has made sure of that.
The alliance of late is a positive but China with Russia would be a concern.

I don't think it will take them 10 - 15, they develop and build 'things' fast.

nstg8a · 17-08-2020, 04:34 PM

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Regime change is off the table Xi has made sure of that.
The alliance of late is a positive but China with Russia would be a concern.

I don't think it will take them 10 - 15, they develop and build 'things' fast.

It’s taken them more than ten years so far, and as I understand they only have one carrier that’s their own build, and another which is actually an Australian ship converted, that was supposed to be scrapped.
Happy to be corrected.

The other point to remember is that America has been at war almost since it’s inception. There is no more battle hardened (or weary depending on your perspective) major country than them.

You can guarantee whatever information we see in the public domain is a mere fraction of what they are working with, and no doubt they have their own versions of the Chinese weapons.

China does not have the experience. It has numbers and tech.

Time will tell which one matters most.

Mr_G6ET · 17-08-2020, 04:49 PM

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Good point(s), I didn't consider as much as I should the experience. Cant see the Australian built bit but you are correct. 2 on the way also.
A lot of other craft under construction !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...craft_carriers

nstg8a · 17-08-2020, 04:57 PM

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Good point(s), I didn't consider as much as I should the experience. Cant see the Australian built bit but you are correct. 2 on the way also.
A lot under construction !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...craft_carriers

Yeah I could have been wrong on the Aussie connection, I’m sure I read it somewhere but certainly can’t find it now.

Mr_G6ET · 17-08-2020, 04:04 PM

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Once China has more than 1-2 modern carriers ...

Although carriers would improve their position, China is improving their defence against carriers with hypersonic weapons.
Good read here:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...obsolete-37637

nstg8a · 17-08-2020, 04:15 PM

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Although carriers would improve their position, China is improving their defence against carriers with hypersonic weapons.
Good read here:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...obsolete-37637

Carrier battle groups aren’t about defence, there all offence.

They provide the ability to project their force almost anywhere in the world in sufficient numbers to cause a real problem.

Without them their fighters are reliant on in air refueling or using forward airbases. All of which makes them vulnerable.
That’s one of the reasons they’re building the islands in the South China Sea, it extends their reach.

Mr_G6ET · 17-08-2020, 07:49 PM

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Carrier battle groups aren’t about defence, there all offence...

I was implying that U.S will go to China, therefore China's land based defences will play a part. Submarines play a big part, imagine all them planes in the air and cant go back to where they took off from

I agree we see only a small portion of what's out there but same goes for the Chinese

Franco Cozzo · 17-08-2020, 11:41 PM

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I was implying that U.S will go to China, therefore China's land based defences will play a part. Submarines play a big part, imagine all them planes in the air and cant go back to where they took off from

I agree we see only a small portion of what's out there but same goes for the Chinese

Australia and the Philippines for staging areas for the might of the US military one would assume

Crazy Dazz · 19-08-2020, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

We need war or regime change with China sooner rather than later.

Militarily China still can’t match the west but it’s catching up, fast.
Another 10-15 years, they will be the dominant military super power.

Once China has more than 1-2 modern carriers and can keep them at sea for extended times, that’s when stiff gets ugly.

The Chinese literally could not organise a root in a brothel.
They will probably fall into a war, because collectively they are too stupid to avoid it.
And it will be a massacre.
The USA and her allies will sink the entire Chinese "Navy" and bomb their infrastructure back to the stoneage.

nstg8a · 19-08-2020, 01:09 PM

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The Chinese literally could not organise a root in a brothel.
They will probably fall into a war, because collectively they are too stupid to avoid it.
And it will be a massacre.
The USA and her allies will sink the entire Chinese "Navy" and bomb their infrastructure back to the stoneage.

That’s archaic thinking. To underestimate the Chinese would be a dangerous thing.

**GasoLane** · 19-08-2020, 04:42 PM

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And it will be a massacre.
The USA and her allies will sink the entire Chinese "Navy" and bomb their infrastructure back to the stoneage.

Yep, they did pretty good back in the 70's with Vietnam didn't they

xxx000 · 21-08-2020, 12:19 PM

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The Chinese literally could not organise a root in a brothel.
They will probably fall into a war, because collectively they are too stupid to avoid it.
And it will be a massacre.
The USA and her allies will sink the entire Chinese "Navy" and bomb their infrastructure back to the stoneage.

The U.S.A. has a shocking track record of not winning wars it goes into.

Mr_G6ET · 21-08-2020, 12:36 PM

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The U.S.A. has a shocking track record of not winning wars it goes into.

Hard to say that they have good track record too

T3rminator · 21-08-2020, 06:20 PM

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Hard to say that they have good track record too

1 on 1 there is no fight. The US military spending is 3 times that of China, and has been like that for ever and a day. Compound that over the years, there is no comparison.

MITCHAY · 21-08-2020, 08:45 PM

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1 on 1 there is no fight. The US military spending is 3 times that of China, and has been like that for ever and a day. Compound that over the years, there is no comparison.

Yep. State vs state the US, especially with it's allies I'll back for the win every day of the week.

Unless Russia and NK want to jump in which I doubt. China has zero allies, they are on their own.

US, UK, Aus/NZ, SK, Japan and India will show up and that is plenty enough. Then if Canada and France want to turn up even better.

And again you have Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia. All of them are ****ed off with China at the moment.

Mr_G6ET · 22-08-2020, 02:41 PM

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Unless Russia and NK want to jump in which I doubt. China has zero allies, they are on their own.

Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia. All of them are ****ed off with China at the moment.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...-spot/12582356

Maybe over time China will do deals to reduce the appetite of the neighbours. Most are already signed up for the BRI