“Asking for a friend” - Uninsured not-at-fault Crash

arm79 · 09-04-2023, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

If he was already in the roundabout, and struck by another vehicle entering, damage would be on the opposite side.

In fairness to your mate, that would entirely depend which way around the roundabout he was going at the time.

The rule is that cars entering a roundabout must give way to all traffic already on the roundabout. It does not specify the direction of the traffic already on there, just that they have to give way to them.

Citroënbender · 09-04-2023, 05:14 AM

Yes, fair comment but I am confident he got the direction of rotation correct. It is a roundabout where locals sometimes charge in, as Cav alludes, but one should generally be cautious if not familiar.

PJ: How would you estimate the damage, in dollars? Removing the inner trim to access that pushed-in forward part of the quarter panel is a headache. Only structural elements affected are sill gouges and distortion of the welded portion to the lower door hinge. Rear bar needs blending, and there is existing delamination to the bonnet.

arm79 · 09-04-2023, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Yes, fair comment but I am confident he got the direction of rotation correct. It is a roundabout where locals sometimes charge in, as Cav alludes, but one should generally be cautious if not familiar.

Thinking about it after my last post... Its interesting because that damage is eerily reminiscent of the time I hit a keep left sign. The sill, the scrape and the bend in the door.

The mark on the bonnet could be the other cars side mirror as the 2 cars bumped uglies and one slide forwards or backwards during the kiss.

It is a 2 lane roundabout where someone could have merged into him or he merged into someone else? You suggest people carelessly charge into this roundabout, it seems more likely he did the charging in and collected a car already on the roundabout.

Or if its a 2 land roundabout, he entered while a car in the inner lane was merging into the outer lane. A favourite driving manoeuvre of the ****tards who live in this town, ****tards who don't seem to fathom the illegality of it.

If 2 cars met on a very narrow angle I'd expect his drivers mirror to be missing or damaged at the very least. But seeing as the damage is so low on the vehicle he's hit something on maybe a 30 to 45 deg angle to him while moving at a high rate of speed. Whatever he hit has stopped, possibly in anticipation, while his speed has kept him moving enough to do that sort of damage the length of his car.

Although I am intrigued how a plastic bumper could do that kind of damage to the leading edge of the door, I would have thought something more solid was required. But I suppose an exposed tyre of another vehicle might.

Or maybe it wasn't a roundabout at all and he turned too sharply in something like a carpark and has clipped a car or solid object on the inside.

Either way, keep an eye out for him on the Dashcam Owners FB page. He might make an appearance on there.

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 09-04-2023, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by arm79

Or if its a 2 land roundabout, he entered while a car in the inner lane was merging into the outer lane. A favourite driving manoeuvre of the ****tards who live in this town, ****tards who don't seem to fathom the illegality of it.

Actually, it's not illegal to change lanes whilst on/in a roundabout IF you use your indicator appropriately. This is the one thing that those who straight-line 2 lane roundabouts tend to not bother doing, making their manoeuvre illegal.

Personally, I just don't bother. What does it save you, 2 seconds per roundabout?

b0son · 09-04-2023, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Actually, it's not illegal to change lanes whilst on/in a roundabout IF you use your indicator appropriately.

AND if the lane markings allow it. We have roundabouts with solid lines leading out of the roundabout. This means stay in your lane, yet everyone cuts from inside to outside and it leads to a lot of near misses.

arm79 · 13-04-2023, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Actually, it's not illegal to change lanes whilst on/in a roundabout IF you use your indicator appropriately. This is the one thing that those who straight-line 2 lane roundabouts tend to not bother doing, making their manoeuvre illegal.

Personally, I just don't bother. What does it save you, 2 seconds per roundabout?

Yeah, I know that. But what I am trying to say is this...

In the land of ****tard Bay, we have a large amount of roundabout-usage challenge drivers. If we take this situation:

If the vehicle in the inside lane is anywhere in that red arc, the ****tardian entering the roundabout along the green line will just go. It largely seems to be a Queensland thing, but the ****tardians of ****tard Bay are especially bad.

They don't get the concept, nor the legal ruling, that the green car entering must give way to all other vehicles already on the roundabout. This allows for the red car to merge into the left lane at will. Whether it be with or without a blinker doesn't matter, if the green car interferes with what the red car is going then they aren't giving way.

The local ****tardians believe they only have to give way to whatever is coming at their right in the lane they wish to enter. This causes many problems and accidents.

I've been abused and tooted by drivers behind me being the green car waiting at the line giving away because they are upset I'm not going because the lane is clear.

Every week there is a FB post or 2 on the local community pages. One will be from the driver of the red car reminding the roundabout-challenged about they law and how it works, which ensues arguments from the idiots on the green saying they are wrong. 2 days later is a post from the green car sooking because they've been cut off by the red car merging lanes and they should learn road rules. Again, 100's of posts of arguments ensue.

It doesn't help that a few of the most popular exits from the main roads are immediately after a roundabout. If I want to get to say Mc****, which is on Boat Harbour Drive, from Main St and have to turn right into Boat Harbour Drive, I have to merge lanes left as I'm still traversing the roundabout and have to be fully merged as I exit it to make the Mc**** driveway. But without a doubt I will have a ****tardian cut me off because the don't give way, so no Mc**** for me.

I'm wondering if that is what really happened to old mate here.

prktkljokr · 09-04-2023, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

PJ: How would you estimate the damage, in dollars? Removing the inner trim to access that pushed-in forward part of the quarter panel is a headache. Only structural elements affected are sill gouges and distortion of the welded portion to the lower door hinge. Rear bar needs blending, and there is existing delamination to the bonnet.

For a insurance job, its a total loss, the repair would be worth more than the car is worth, a scratch is $1000 so a whole side isn't going to be cheap.

If you have the basic gear lying around and could do the repairs yourself, I couldn't see more than $1000 in parts and materials, including repainting the bonnet, but soon as you get a panel shop involved you are paying by the hour.

Being a E46 coupe its worth from $5000 ( for a ****ter ) to $15000 tops if its a smick manual, so as a private repair its worth it, the wreck is only worth $1500 - $2000 as it sits.

Cant see you paying much more than $200 for a door shell and under $100 for a guard privately, if your lucky you could snag the panels in the right colour and only have to do a pillar, sill and quarter repair.

With the sill and 1/4 repair one of these is perfect and cheap without removing trim
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/17419391...Bk9SR8qHhbbsYQ

Here is one wrecking, Nino

has the door shell listed for $80 https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/thor...-10/1305095791

Citroënbender · 09-04-2023, 11:35 AM

Thanks! Good spot on the parts car, just down the road as well.

I can edge and prime everything up, but with exterior paint my setup is no good for anything bigger than a wheel.

Have looked at various spotters, including the ones that use wiggle wire and eyelets, and double as a spot “shrinker”. Have also seen what happens when amateurs over-work a panel with a spotter.

prktkljokr · 09-04-2023, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Thanks! Good spot on the parts car, just down the road as well.

I can edge and prime everything up, but with exterior paint my setup is no good for anything bigger than a wheel.

Have looked at various spotters, including the ones that use wiggle wire and eyelets, and double as a spot “shrinker”. Have also seen what happens when amateurs over-work a panel with a spotter.

I always check gumtree and Facebook before I bid on a repairer, nothing better than cheap parts

I have painted full sides of cars at home in acrylic outside in the elements, a bit more work, but a bit more forgiving than 2 pac, and the neighbours don't complain about the smell like they do with 2 pac

I have 1 of those spot weld dent pullers myself at home, and I have to say its 1 of the best tool I have purchased for home, it has saved me thousands of dollars by allowing me to repair stuff that I usually would have replaced, I have used the shrinker function on it and its just as good as the more expensive gear we use at work, plus for the price its a no brainer for home use.