Jobs Going Offshore

[FPV GT]

Solutions quite simple really, yet long and drawn out.

An Australia wide campaign to blacklist companies who send these jobs overseas. WE need to send a strong message to companies whose goods and services we purchase,who show loyalty to our custom by sending their workforce overseas
I remember one memorable quote from an executive, "It is cutting into the shareholders profit base if we keep non essential roles in Australia. On a global scale we are helping our neighbours, who are not as fortunate as we. A more proactive approach is needed"........... I think slashing his annual salary would be more proactive, and giving him some classes in reality 101.

Stand up folks and let 'em know its not okay :jab: :

Regards
Paul

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by FPV GT

Solutions quite simple really, yet long and drawn out.

An Australia wide campaign to blacklist companies who send these jobs overseas. WE need to send a strong message to companies whose goods and services we purchase,who show loyalty to our custom by sending their workforce overseas
I remember one memorable quote from an executive, "It is cutting into the shareholders profit base if we keep non essential roles in Australia. On a global scale we are helping our neighbours, who are not as fortunate as we. A more proactive approach is needed"........... I think slashing his annual salary would be more proactive, and giving him some classes in reality 101.

Stand up folks and let 'em know its not okay :jab: :

Regards
Paul

Well said Paul, I for one have cancelled all of my AMEX cards. The reason. I refuse to deal with foreigners when discussing my financial data. I have several mortgages with the ANZ. I am looking very carefully at what they are doing..... Bendigo bank or TIO is always an option. We, as a people must realise that ultimatley it is up to us to steer big greedy corporations.....

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by frost

I know this is an old thread but I must say, none of Qantas's call centres are overseas, all sales and marketing are still owned by qantas, and freqent flyer is Publisles Loyalty. IT support for qantas is managed by IBM and Telstra, one help desk in sydney on help desk in ballarat

My brother works in the Sydney desk,used to be qantec yeah.
Till they gave it over to IBM,from what I hear there will be changes coming,and some are not happy..

[frost]

Originally Posted by nugget378

My brother works in the Sydney desk,used to be qantec yeah.
Till they gave it over to IBM,from what I hear there will be changes coming,and some are not happy..

India.......

[jason71]

How can Australia compete against a third world labour market? When they have no work conditions for example, I read in a magazine recently India are dismantling old single hole oil ships on the beach full of asbestos and other hazardous materials spilling into the sea, with no safety equipment whatsoever! When there are plenty of other ports in the world to do this safely and less destructive to the environment, but don’t get the contract because of cost. If we are going to have a global market there needs to be a level playing field, why should we bring our standards down to compete with them? The world should be moving forward to improve the quality of life and the environment.

[genebaby]

I don't get how a company can justify saving money by sending it's call centre overseas, when it just annoys the crap out of it's current and potential customers. The last company I would buy anything from is one whose representative is in India, assuming a fake name and nature. F that.

Cold calling is pretty crappy, and it's worse when done from overseas.

[Tornado]

Originally Posted by Disco1986

wots the big deal it would suck to work in a call centre anyway, why can have it!

Its not just call centres.
As frost said, regarding QANTAS its level 2 support.
I'm a Unix Systems Specialist, providing 3rd level support and work on large projects, but that didn't stop my previous employeer moving that function to India. If it was just call centre work then it wouldn't be as bad, but since its specialist work that is also moving there then that becomes a much bigger problem.
"wots the big deal" you say, well this means that Australia will soon have a massive IT skills shortage as more students shy away from IT degrees, then even if a company wants to keep its IT resources in the ountry, it can't as it can't find anyone skilled enough to do the work.

[frost]

Originally Posted by Tornado

Its not just call centres.
As frost said, regarding QANTAS its level 2 support.
I'm a Unix Systems Specialist, providing 3rd level support and work on large projects, but that didn't stop my previous employeer moving that function to India. If it was just call centre work then it wouldn't be as bad, but since its specialist work that is also moving there then that becomes a much bigger problem.
"wots the big deal" you say, well this means that Australia will soon have a massive IT skills shortage as more students shy away from IT degrees, then even if a company wants to keep its IT resources in the ountry, it can't as it can't find anyone skilled enough to do the work.

Exactly right, any australian company with an Idea such as IBM, Qantas, Telstra they keep level 1 support in australia ( Call centres) because people dont usally like talking to forginers, it just makes level 1 support like me work harder dealing with upper levels

[richardxr8]

OutbackJack - Thats the only way to do it ! Likewise, I cancelled my amex cards as I too, simply do not want to talk to a foreigner when discussing ANY of my personal details. My personal details are also NOT FOR SALE, and I only want to deal with people who reside in Countrys that actually have words for "Intellectual Property", "Patents" and "Respect for privacy".

[frost]

Originally Posted by richardxr8

OutbackJack - Thats the only way to do it ! Likewise, I cancelled my amex cards as I too, simply do not want to talk to a foreigner when discussing ANY of my personal details. My personal details are also NOT FOR SALE, and I only want to deal with people who reside in Countrys that actually have words for "Intellectual Property", "Patents" and "Respect for privacy".

OMFG if you and outback jack only knew....

At the end of the day who owns VISA? Not an australian company

Same as the major australian banks im sure they have some tie to overseas.

To be honest your a bunch of racist pricks

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by frost

To be honest your a bunch of racist pricks

Hahaha! Someone finally speaking their mind. I agree 100%, frost. I dont think many people care about what people are willing to work for. It's the fact that the jobs are going to someone who they perceive to be inferior that really puts the bee under people's bonnets.

For the record, the major aussie banks dont have much in the way of a reporting line overseas. Even the shareholdings are predominanlty domestic. It's only functions that are outsourced where such information could be "compromised" in the hands of a foreigner. But as for VISA... yeah, not exactly an Australian icon is it? IIRC it's owned by those who utilise the service, which aussie FI's would represent a very small % of.

As much as i disagree with their particular view on globalisation - FPV GT and Outbackjack are dead right IMO. The only way to affect a change in this trend is by "talking with your feet" and factoring global labour into your decisions as a consumer.

If we are going to have a global market there needs to be a level playing field, why should we bring our standards down to compete with them? The world should be moving forward to improve the quality of life and the environment

There will be. Indian/chinese workers will... in time... begin to demand the same conditions that we demand of our employers. This is why we think of these two countries in particular as "emerging". They're going through what the western world went through during and after the industrial revolution. Altho they're having decades of growth and 'moving forward' compressed into a few years.