Thank you AWC for stealing my pics!

XR8GRL · 11-03-2007, 11:45 PM

Thank you to AWC for copyrighting my car images for their / or whoever is connected to them for their ebay auction.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Ford-AU-XR8-X...QQcmdZViewItem

Did you get my permission? NO. Thank you for not asking me and taking it upon yourselves to steal and put your name on them. My contact details are on the aufalcon.com website to ask me. Take them down now or I will take it further!

If this thread is deemed inappropriate, then I apologize, I am very angry about this. If anyone knows about copyright issues and where I stand, your comments are appreciated!

mattp · 11-03-2007, 11:48 PM

Those images are off the AWC web site, but the auction is not AWC's. Seems AWC stole your images, then the auctioneer stole them from AWC's website.

XR8GRL · 11-03-2007, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mattp

Those images are off the AWC web site, but the auction is not AWC's. Seems AWC stole your images, then the auctioneer stole them from AWC's website.

yeah, that's what I had thought.

Kryton · 11-03-2007, 11:52 PM

contact ebay and explain. they will remove the auction.

mrgo40rd · 12-03-2007, 12:16 AM

the picture does not show your number plate so good luck proving its your car im not being smart thats what there reply will be good luck

Laminge · 12-03-2007, 12:19 AM

Bah

Whats the big deal?

Once an image is posted on the web, it would be nice to retain ownership, but it is not the case.

I have had my TS50 used by several mags since images where posted online, thats just a fact of life, no need to for all this.

philstoj · 12-03-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mrgo40rd

the picture does not show your number plate so good luck proving its your car im not being smart thats what there reply will be good luck

Its definatly her car mate, she has the pics, and can definatly tell from the partially blanked out plate which she done in photoshop, they didnt even modify it themselves, lol, straight out copied.

http://www.aufalcon.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?act=item&i=80

XR8GRL · 12-03-2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Laminge

Bah

Whats the big deal?

Once an image is posted on the web, it would be nice to retain ownership, but it is not the case.

I have had my TS50 used by several mags since images where posted online, thats just a fact of life, no need to for all this.

Agreed, but they could have asked..

SpoolMan · 12-03-2007, 12:32 AM

AWC don't sell on ebay, FibreSports is the company that now look after all AWC products.

GCFordChic · 12-03-2007, 12:36 AM

Just wanting to clarify who you are annoyed at...

(a) AWC for using them for their website and sticking their logo on the image
or
(b) the person (it doesn't seem to be AWC) who is using them to sell an item

Do you remember where you posted them in the first place that AWC would have taken them from? I can see where you are coming from, you want to be in control of the use of a picture of your car, but once they are on the net and without your own copyright stamp on them, they are pretty much able to be freely used.

Contact eBay, as said previously, and explain that you don't want your vehicle used to sell parts. Suggest the sale might be dodgy because they cannot produce a picture of the actual item being sold, but a representation of the product on another vehicle.

XR8GRL · 12-03-2007, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GCFordChic

Just wanting to clarify who you are annoyed at...

(a) AWC for using them for their website and sticking their logo on the image
or
(b) the person (it doesn't seem to be AWC) who is using them to sell an item

Do you remember where you posted them in the first place that AWC would have taken them from? I can see where you are coming from, you want to be in control of the use of a picture of your car, but once they are on the net and without your own copyright stamp on them, they are pretty much able to be freely used.

Contact eBay, as said previously, and explain that you don't want your vehicle used to sell parts. Suggest the sale might be dodgy because they cannot produce a picture of the actual item being sold, but a representation of the product on another vehicle.

It's already been said who and where.. Ebay have been contacted.

SpoolMan · 12-03-2007, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GCFordChic

Contact eBay, as said previously, and explain that you don't want your vehicle used to sell parts. Suggest the sale might be dodgy because they cannot produce a picture of the actual item being sold, but a representation of the product on another vehicle.

Its not XR8GRL's car any more only the picture is, I hope I have this correct.

XR8GRL · 12-03-2007, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

AWC don't sell on ebay, FibreSports is the company that now look after all AWC products.

Yeah Phil said, but I saw AWC in the sponsor section, figured they might have a read.

XR8GRL · 12-03-2007, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Its not XR8GRL's car any more only the picture is, I hope I have this correct.

yep, that is correct.

mrgo40rd · 12-03-2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by philstoj

Its definatly her car mate, she has the pics, and can definatly tell from the partially blanked out plate which she done in photoshop, they didnt even modify it themselves, lol, straight out copied.

http://www.aufalcon.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?act=item&i=80

hey i dont diagree with you but im saying its could be hard to prove if it was me i would be happy for people to use my car i think its a complement to have your car used in photos i still have old mags hot fours with pictures of my old lancer in it i think its great (but thats just my opinion)

bonspeed · 12-03-2007, 12:49 AM

Nice car,I love the silver ones.

GCFordChic · 12-03-2007, 12:52 AM

Oh ok, just realised you have a ute...

I'm pretty sure that even thought you don't have your own copyright stamp on the picture as long as you can prove you took the original photo you own the intellectual property rights. I can look up the specific provisions tomorrow if you want and pm them to you?

So you are quite entitled to ask for them to be removed. However, once a pic is on the net, without a copyright stamp it is generally accepted that it can be used for whatever someone likes. It doesn't look great for the person who uses it though, if they are using other's images (without permission), adding their own logo and trying to sell a product.

Casper · 12-03-2007, 12:52 AM

If the images were taken from aufalcon.com then they are copyrighted to the owner of the image and cannot be reproduced without consent.

This is on the first page of aufalcon.com:

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Ford Motor Company, or any company owned by the Ford Motor Company, in no way endorses or is affiliated with aufalcon.com. Ford, Falcon, Tickford, XR6, XR8, the Ford logo and oval are all registered trademarks of the Ford Motor Company and/or Ford Performance Vehicles. All photos, logos, images and video footage remain the trade marks and copyright of the respective owners.

XR8GRL · 12-03-2007, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper

If the images were taken from aufalcon.com then they are copyrighted to the owner of the image and cannot be reproduced without consent.

This is on the first page of aufalcon.com:

Thank you Casper!

:
I can indeed provide that these are from aufalcon.

http://www.aufalcon.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?act=item&i=80

SpoolMan · 12-03-2007, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper

If the images were taken from aufalcon.com then they are copyrighted to the owner of the image and cannot be reproduced without consent.

This is on the first page of aufalcon.com:

So its all your fault lol

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Casper · 12-03-2007, 12:58 AM

In the end its not much to work with but it does give you some leverage to "bully" them into removing the images I guess.

BZINGA · 12-03-2007, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bonspeed

Nice car,I love the silver ones.

It was an awesome car, believe me.

LUXO_8 · 12-03-2007, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mrgo40rd

hey i dont diagree with you but im saying its could be hard to prove if it was me i would be happy for people to use my car i think its a complement to have your car used in photos i still have old mags hot fours with pictures of my old lancer in it i think its great (but thats just my opinion)

i know that not all people are the same, and i can respect those that dont pics of their car used , but i'd be flattered if someone thought my car was cool enough to want to use pics of it on their ad's

bonspeed · 12-03-2007, 12:59 AM

You women get so uptight about things, Relax you don't even own the car anymore. Who cares.

Im going to get attacked for this arn't I?

XR8GRL · 12-03-2007, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GCFordChic

Oh ok, just realised you have a ute...

I'm pretty sure that even thought you don't have your own copyright stamp on the picture as long as you can prove you took the original photo you own the intellectual property rights. I can look up the specific provisions tomorrow if you want and pm them to you?

So you are quite entitled to ask for them to be removed. However, once a pic is on the net, without a copyright stamp it is generally accepted that it can be used for whatever someone likes. It doesn't look great for the person who uses it though, if they are using other's images (without permission), adding their own logo and trying to sell a product.

Yeah I know pics are free for all when it comes to the net, my anger is that these pics are placed on a site (pics copyrighted to owner) connected to me and they put their name on them, so they should have asked.

XR8GRL · 12-03-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bonspeed

You women get so uptight about things, Relax you don't even own the car anymore. Who cares.

Im going to get attacked for this arn't I?

Nup, argument is they put their name on my pic without asking, taking when pics are copyrighted to owner on that site. So I tend to care.

Casper · 12-03-2007, 01:03 AM

aufalcon.com also keeps a log of the date the pics were loaded at the bottom of each page.. in your case Car posted 26.10.2006 | Last updated 1.11.2006

Therefore it can be shown you haven't loaded these pics up after the ebay sale screen was loaded.

GCFordChic · 12-03-2007, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by XR8GRL

Yeah I know pics are free for all when it comes to the net, my anger is that these pics are placed on a site (pics copyrighted to owner) connected to me and they put their name on them, so they should have asked.

Oh I know, I agree with you here. Just because it is the net shouldn't mean the rules go out the window, all I was saying is that, unfortunately, the often do.

When they were taken from a place where you clearly identified yourself as the owner of the car (at the time) and the images, I think asking would be the least they could do.

bonspeed · 12-03-2007, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by XR8GRL

Nup, argument is they put their name on my pic without asking, taking when pics are copyrighted to owner on that site. So I tend to care.

O.K. I sort of understand, What concerns me is that they are claiming a genuine xr kit to be there own, Isn't that false advertising?
I have had people take pictures of my car without my permission, What would be the case if the taker of said photos posted them?

XR8GRL · 12-03-2007, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper

In the end its not much to work with but it does give you some leverage to "bully" them into removing the images I guess.

Removing of the pics would be what I'd be happy with and also maybe they can learn not to steal other peoples images, especially via aufalcon.com.

thanks casper!