So are we going to get Billy Bowden sacked?

starkersEB · 20-01-2008, 01:53 AM

Before the flames start im only kidding!!!

But isnt it funny that the umpie that replaced Bucknor made a pretty average decision with Symonds LBW. Not that it changed the match much anyway.

Its just good to see that noone is making a song and dance about it like the Indians did, I know its a little different but it does show that the Aussies are good sports after all!!

BZINGA · 20-01-2008, 03:21 AM

Like i said in the other thread that was closed, it all evens out eventually. Symonds was lucky not to be given out when he was, this game he was given out when he wasn't and yes the new umpire made the mistake, but thats cricket. Also, hats off to the aussie tail who gave it a crack with some entertaining batting, was great to watch.

NAK302 · 20-01-2008, 08:37 AM

yeah, it's amazing what a team of sore losers can achieve when the game is changed to suit them.
full credit to the touring bowlers,though, our boys didn't really handle them too well. some of our selectors may need a rethink with some batting and bowling selections.

bring on Adelaide, we'll bounce back and trounce them by an innings.

protd · 20-01-2008, 08:47 AM

it looked to me like the Aussies threw the game so the sooks wouldn't run home having a cry about being beaten by a far Superior team, the Indians are pathetic and so has been the whole process of what happened, to me it just show that a spoiled brat can throw a turn and get their own way, should have just let them go home...

and before everyone jumps on me for that comment yes i know it's not the right way to deal with things, But it just makes me mad when someone sooks and everyone complies

LowEL2XR8 · 20-01-2008, 09:53 AM

All LBWs should be given to the 3rd umpire. With the computer technology we have lets erase mistakes. There is ball tracking and infrared, why do we allow the human error. Crazy to me..
Maybe a system like the tennis where the batsman says challenge and then it goes to the 3rd umpire.
If we have the tech to get rid of mistakes lets move forward I say.

prydey · 20-01-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LowEFGLi

All LBWs should be given to the 3rd umpire. With the computer technology we have lets erase mistakes. There is ball tracking and infrared, why do we allow the human error. Crazy to me..
Maybe a system like the tennis where the batsman says challenge and then it goes to the 3rd umpire.
If we have the tech to get rid of mistakes lets move forward I say.

disagree!!

technology will ruin the game. leave it alone i say. the game has been this way for decades and i garauntee its not the true blue test cricket fans that do the whinging.

most games these days are well behind on over rates and end up going into extra time every day and still not get the full 90 overs in. if more technology starts being used the game is going to be even slower.

they are looking at bringing in a challenge system similar to the tennis but it won't be in tests. rumoured to debut in the champions trophy later this year or next.

india are a very good side at the moment and we were beaten fairly and squarely. unlike the media though i don't call a 70 odd run win a thrashing.

one thing's for sure though. i doubt we'll see tait in adelaide.

OLDFORDNUT · 20-01-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by protd

it looked to me like the Aussies threw the game so the sooks wouldn't run home having a cry about being beaten by a far Superior team, the Indians are pathetic and so has been the whole process of what happened, to me it just show that a spoiled brat can throw a turn and get their own way, should have just let them go home...

and before everyone jumps on me for that comment yes i know it's not the right way to deal with things, But it just makes me mad when someone sooks and everyone complies

you are 100%right,
i was seething when the head guru made his speech the other week,he basically told the world that we were gutless and the Indian cricket team are the decision makers because they were not happy with being found out as dirty players, so change the game to suit India or else.
they should have packed there bags for them and escorted them to the airport, and told to ****off home to play with yourselves.

LowEL2XR8 · 20-01-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

disagree!!

technology will ruin the game. leave it alone i say. the game has been this way for decades and i garauntee its not the true blue test cricket fans that do the whinging.

I'm not having a whine that we lost. I'm just saying for the sake of an extra 60 seconds lets have the correct decision.

I love cricket and want to see correct decisions.

I'd hate to win and have the other team have 3 or 4 decisions against them that were incorrect.

Its only 60 seconds to get it right.

Duke · 20-01-2008, 06:19 PM

Tait and Johnson bowled like 13 years olds, we deserved to lose that match, not happy about it, but those guys were complete crapola!

Having said that, Brett Lee was quite wayward for a long time too when he came on board, experience brought him into line. I hope the same happens for these guys but they've got a lot of work to do if they're going to be considered any kind of weapons against a good batting team.

NAK302 · 20-01-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nicholas

you are 100%right,
i was seething when the head guru made his speech the other week,he basically told the world that we were gutless and the Indian cricket team are the decision makers because they were not happy with being found out as dirty players, so change the game to suit India or else.
they should have packed there bags for them and escorted them to the airport, and told to ****off home to play with yourselves.

come on mate, you should know by now that Australia is the country that everyone can "bag" but can't be the "bagger". we just might upset someone and we can't have that, can we? *please note intentional sarcasm LOL

we all know, with the exception of some journalists who seem to have a bit of mind power over the flock, who plays with the right "spirit of the game" and it isn't the touring team.

BZINGA · 20-01-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke

Tait and Johnson bowled like 13 years olds, we deserved to lose that match, not happy about it, but those guys were complete crapola!

I think if your looking to blame someone for the loss, look at the batting top order, 5/61 and bowled out for 212 after 50 overs, when was the last time we were bowled out that quick? India had the ball swinging and it had the batters stuffed.
I think Taits bowling was very ordinary though and Hogg will replace him in Adelaide, Johnson is all over the shop also but he's taking wickets which is helping. Haydos back will stengthen us more also.

prydey · 20-01-2008, 07:34 PM

the poms in 05 were the first to highlight that we are very ordinary against a swinging ball. we've since poached their bowling coach (cooley) but we still can't seem to find bowlers who can swing the ball. damien fleming was the last of the swing bowlers.

having haydos back up top will help a lot but those accusing the aussies of 'throwing' the match are just sore losers for mine.

trik67 - you are right. if you want to blame someone look at the top order in the first innings. to me it seemed as if they thought they'd go out there and it would just happen for them. i don't think they had their mind 100% on the job. also 2 big 'ins' for india were sehwag and pathan. both should've been in the side from day 1 of the first test.

i've said all along india are an awesome squad at the moment and are the only team that can trouble us at the moment. many similarities between the 2 sides.

37 degrees forecast here for the w/end. another tough match coming up i reckon esp given their record at adelaide.

tempest · 20-01-2008, 07:40 PM

i think a lot of ppl would be very dissapointed tait wasnt given a proper run, his first test in a long time - one can expect his initial overs to be rather tentative - but geeez give the lad a decent spell so that he could get his eye in.

5 overs in the 2nd innings and something like 21 in the whole match - disgusting. a lot of ppl dont give him enough credit, give him a chance and he would get his eye in charge down the feild (with his 6'8 frame) and send down 160kph missiles - name a batter in the world who would be comfortable facing that.

but yes, the loss is down to the top order.

give him a decent run in adelaide i say.

Duke · 20-01-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TRIK67

I think if your looking to blame someone for the loss, look at the batting top order, 5/61 and bowled out for 212 after 50 overs, when was the last time we were bowled out that quick? India had the ball swinging and it had the batters stuffed.
I think Taits bowling was very ordinary though and Hogg will replace him in Adelaide, Johnson is all over the shop also but he's taking wickets which is helping. Haydos back will stengthen us more also.

Can't argue with that buddy. Good point.

andrewr · 20-01-2008, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

disagree!!

technology will ruin the game. leave it alone i say. the game has been this way for decades and i garauntee its not the true blue test cricket fans that do the whinging.

most games these days are well behind on over rates and end up going into extra time every day and still not get the full 90 overs in. if more technology starts being used the game is going to be even slower.

they are looking at bringing in a challenge system similar to the tennis but it won't be in tests. rumoured to debut in the champions trophy later this year or next.

I agree with you. But.. I was always taught 'if in doubt not out' so I don't have a problem when an LBW or whatever is given not out.. I do have a massive problem with people being given out when they are obviously not out. I mean to be given out caught behind when you didn't nick it at all...

The problem I think is the honesty and gentlemans part of the game is gone.. Only appeal when you think its out, not every ball and walk if you know your out. Those days are dead now that everyone is a professional and focussed on winning.

And on the Tait subject, I'd like to give him a few more tests.. Does anyone remember Lee when he started? His bowling was all over the place but look at him now.

red_hotxr6 · 21-01-2008, 07:46 AM

Dont forget that the Indians got a few bad calls as well, especially against Tendulkar, this man is just praying that someone will give him a decent and fair go, but then 2 different umpires, lots of bad calls so it time for the 3rd umpire to be used, especially in close calls.

merlin · 21-01-2008, 08:06 AM

Personally I don't want to see 3rd umpire LBW decisions - the man in the middle is best placed, if they get some wrong so be it. That hawkeye tech dosn't work 100% anyway and is unreliable at best.

The Aussie batting lost them the game - my personal opinion is that the week preceding the match with all the bad media attention ect. got inside their heads. I play cricket and I reckon it is probably 90% mental, 10% physical game (for batsmen anyway). They will bounce back - but it was great to see a competitive game (FINALLY!)

sedgie · 21-01-2008, 01:27 PM

Yes it was good to see a close game, but i guess Sydney was like that for most of the last 2 days as well. Regardless of who won/lost i can't see a reason not to use technology for LBW. Yes some people are saying Hawkeye is not 100% accurate but having seen some of the calls in the last 2 matches it has to be at least as good as what the umpires are calling in real time. I think the unpredictable bounce of the Perth wickets and others like it still throw Hawkeye out a lot.

I think yes good/bad calls do tend to even out but most of the time it seems to favour the home team (not just in Australia)

prydey · 21-01-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewr

The problem I think is the honesty and gentlemans part of the game is gone.. Only appeal when you think its out, not every ball and walk if you know your out. Those days are dead now that everyone is a professional and focussed on winning..

walking has only ever been practiced by a select few since cricket began. some of the greatest cricketers who ever played the game have openly admitted that they never walked. the umpire is there to do a job so let him do it.

regarding dodgy lbw's, who can honestly say they thought they were dodgy BEFORE seeing the many slo mo replays on ch9. most only pick an inside edge after watching the slow replay. give the umpires some credit for the good job they do. out of all the appeals given throughout a match, i think they get most of them right.

red_hotxr6 · 21-01-2008, 07:22 PM

Look the umps only get 1 chance to see the action and make there call, but if the batsman thinks that it was a bad decision then i think he should ask the ump for a call by the 3rd ump and go from there..

Bearman · 21-01-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nicholas

you are 100%right,
i was seething when the head guru made his speech the other week,he basically told the world that we were gutless and the Indian cricket team are the decision makers because they were not happy with being found out as dirty players, so change the game to suit India or else.
they should have packed there bags for them and escorted them to the airport, and told to ****off home to play with yourselves.

And they love playing the race card!! Bunch of sooks.

Look what happened when they stopped whingeing and got on with playing cricket, they whooped us!! There's a lesson there somewhere......