Who would buy a 4cy and/or a diesel Falcon?

fairBA · 03-03-2011, 05:42 PM

Seems to be a lot of talk about these 2 things coming to the Falcon which are meant to be the holy grail. Everyone keeps saying this is what the Falcon needs (which may be the case) but yet I don't know a single person who would part with there $$$ and buy one?

So who here is planing buying one?

Franco Cozzo · 03-03-2011, 05:43 PM

TDV6 manual XR6 Falcon, yeah I would.

Brazen · 03-03-2011, 05:44 PM

diesel yes, ecoboost no.

fairBA · 03-03-2011, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

diesel yes, ecoboost no.

Why?
Whats the appeal?

Fev · 03-03-2011, 05:52 PM

I have been hearing really good things about people who have driven the Ecoboost Falcon. They say they are really surprised with the amount of performance they are getting over the 195kW barra 4.0L. They've said there is absolutely no down points on it over the straight 6. I'm definitely looking forward to driving one and judging it then. There's no point to these threads before we have more information on the engine and how it handles the bulk of the Falcon.

JG34JA · 03-03-2011, 05:58 PM

Consider the ecoboost a way to continue enjoying a Falcon in the times of great commodity price increases. Ie fuel. It's when you have to, but don't want to, downsize. (tm - not! Ford you can use this line if you ever advertise it!)

My 2c, I'd have one as a wagon. Pity about that.

As for diesel, yep as well. The Territory diesel will be a great car to own.

Brazen · 03-03-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fairBA

Why?
Whats the appeal?

All hypothetical, I wouldnt get either whilst Falcon only come in sedan...it would have to be in a station wagon. But I think diesel would suit the character more of a large RWD Aussie car with a big tow capacity. Monster torque just off idle, fantastic fuel consumption while towing a fully loaded horse float seems perfect for Falcon.

The 2.0 litre Ecoboost seems to fit the character of a mid-sized FWD car. You lose torque so there goes the towing ability and it probably changes the lazy character that I like about Falcon. Of course I havnt driven it but to me it seems like an economy engine. Probably great though, but I would prefer diesel if I was buying a car as big as a Falcon with a large tow rating.

SM1DY · 03-03-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fev

There's no point to these threads before we have more information on the engine and how it handles the bulk of the Falcon.

I can't agree with that, I think this thread highlights what the general publics thoughts are on Ecoboost and Diesel Falcons are prior to release. The people it would be of most use is those who are in charge of marketing these new products so they can see what concerns they need to alleviate and strengths they can exploit.

Hally · 03-03-2011, 06:06 PM

I touch on this in another thread and was shot down because people assumed that I was implying that an Ecoboost 4 cyl Falcon would be no good (which I wasn't).

I just don't know in what models would the Ecoboost be in? XT, G6? I can't see it being in an XR6 or G6E. Is it possible Ford will drp the 6cyl from the XT and make it a fleet special with 'green credentials'?

I am curious (and hope whatever strategy Ford uses is successful) on how Ford are going to pitch this motor option. Like the OP, discussing it with my circle of freinds and colleagues, some who currently own FG Falcons have said they would not be interested in buying one. Basically their opinion is that they would rather buy a Mondeo (especially the XR5 model) if they were buying a turbo 4 cyl.

trippytaka · 03-03-2011, 06:07 PM

Meh... I think it's much of a muchness really. Both will offer good performance for driving around town, but the diesel will be better low down. At the end of the day, if you're buying a straight six falcon you're not buying it for outright performance - if you wanted that you'd be buying the XR6 Turbo really wouldn't you?

SumoDog68 · 03-03-2011, 06:14 PM

Modern turbo diesel in Falcon is a no brainer for anyone but Oz Ford decision makers. In 3 years they will be telling us how diesel in Falcon would be a great idea.
Diesel would create new perception of a Falcon as a fuel efficient and spacious touring car that does city traffic easily without extra fuel costs.
Not to mention competitive edge over Holden product.
Make it available in a wagon shape and it would be a winner.
Would I buy one - yes.
Ecoboost no thanks. Look at CX7 with boosted 2.3 . It would use less fuel with a v8...

phillyc · 03-03-2011, 06:35 PM

Diesel already has the perception of being thrifty on fuel.
Eco-boost will require money by Ford to promote.

A diesel Falcon would have effectively sold itself by changing the perception of the masses of what a Falcon is and could be. In fact, if it cost $30M to put in there. That could be less than they need to spend to get the Eco-Boost name out there.

Would i buy either. Probably not. I love the I6 Falcons in both NA and boosted form. But the diesel would be my pick if the I6 wasn't around.

I would seriously consider the diesel Territory though. Would probably mod it to up the output to 170kW/480Nm.

HULK EF · 03-03-2011, 06:35 PM

Turbo Diesel Falcon G6E Wagon.. MMMM!!!!! 1000 km range.. 400-550 NM... 120-160 kw ?? 0-100 6-7 seconds..

Sporty/ economical wagon....

ecoboost may open up oportunity's for 4 cylinder fleet cars...

Rodp · 03-03-2011, 06:51 PM

I'd certainly consider an ecoboost.

FalconXR6 · 03-03-2011, 06:55 PM

whilst ever they're making that straight 6 turbo, i wouldn't consider anything else...ok, maybe a s/c coyote...

fordman302 · 03-03-2011, 06:55 PM

just a quick note, i dont think the eco boost could be in an xr6 form as that would require it to have 6 cylinders, xr4 and xr5 are already taken, maybe bring back the old sr or s name plate?

vztrt · 03-03-2011, 07:08 PM

If either would come in a manual then I'd have a look. I guess a diesel would be more appealing.

LPG would be better for me, just need a factory one in manual with a proper set-up tyre in the boot.

SteveJH · 03-03-2011, 07:12 PM

I'd take the diesel over the Ecoboost.

Mr Hardware · 03-03-2011, 07:19 PM

All depends if the numbers stacked up in the long term
Im not going to have a car that sounds like a tractor and goes like a datsun just to save $2.85 a week

csv8 · 03-03-2011, 07:24 PM

The V12 Audi diesel in Tezza!!! that would be an awesome bit of kit!!!
But, I want a G8E!!! October this year will see a Calais V V8 in my garage.
FORD have nothing to offer..

SteveJH · 03-03-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

The V12 Audi diesel in Tezza!!! that would be an awesome bit of kit!!!
But, I want a G8E!!! October this year will see a Calais V V8 in my garage.
FORD have nothing to offer..

Even the 3.6L Range Rover Diesel would be awesome.

200kw & 640N.m

**Burnout** · 03-03-2011, 07:42 PM

In my view, the jury is out on these two options til I drive one or the other or both.....However right now I wouldn't have either based on what I read around here.

I guess I'm from that long stroke lazy lump of torque generation.....

**buggerlugs** · 03-03-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

All depends if the numbers stacked up in the long term
Im not going to have a car that sounds like a tractor and goes like a datsun just to save $2.85 a week

You obviously haven't driven any late model turbo diesels........

SteveJH · 03-03-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by buggerlugs

You obviously haven't driven any late model turbo diesels........

Yeah, I swear my dads 2.0L ~100kw Diesel Mondeo company car is at least as quick as my allegedly 157kw falcon.

It also used much less fuel. Oh, and it only sounds like a tractor at idle!

Yellow_Festiva · 03-03-2011, 08:58 PM

I would only consider buying one if I needed to cart around 4 other adults on a regular basis. I wouldn't worry about if it was the ecoboost or the diesel.

Both drive trains should be economical... would probably lean towards the diesel as it is a more established motor with added pulling power over the ecoboost (I assume).

If I didn't have the need for all that space, something around the size and price of a Lancer / Cruze would be more than enough for me.

spvd02 · 03-03-2011, 08:58 PM

6-7 seconds 0-100 in a Diesel? Very unlikely. Whilst they produce big torque numbers, 0-100 sprints are not their forte. A petrol variant of the same car is usually 1-2sec quicker than the diesel from 0-100.

Yellow_Festiva · 03-03-2011, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

Yeah, I swear my dads 2.0L ~100kw Diesel Mondeo company car is at least as quick as my allegedly 157kw falcon.

It also used much less fuel. Oh, and it only sounds like a tractor at idle!

Is it the same mill as in the Focus?? I got an LV TDCI for my wife and boy do you feel that 320nm of thrust when you plant the right foot down.

Franco Cozzo · 03-03-2011, 09:01 PM

Everyone is paying out on the diesel chatter, I quite like the sound actually. My LV goes quite well, I love the feeling you get from all the torque, you aren't going fast but it certainly feels like it.

XR Martin · 03-03-2011, 09:10 PM

Diesels still stink, have a short power band, have no aural pleasure, and the pumps are always filthy.
Oh and Diesel would be lucky to have ten years left in passenger cars (According to Mercedes)

**buggerlugs** · 03-03-2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Diesels still stink, have a short power band, have no aural pleasure, and the pumps are always filthy.
Oh and Diesel would be lucky to have ten years left in passenger cars (According to Mercedes)

Geez what model diesel's are you talking about ? A 1981 Hilux or a 1982 Gemini