Radar detectors

[scozzman]

Hi all....

im from w.a where we are still allowed to use radar detectors, however rumor has it that this will soon be abolished. i understand that the police over east use ''stalcar'' radar detector detectors. i would like to know from those from the eastern states how they go with there radar detectors. is the stalcar 100% reliable? or do you guys just dont waste your time using detectors anymore? those of yous that do - is there anyway around this problem?

im curiouse in finding out how things are done over there concerning this game of cat and mouse......

cheers
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[MO]

As far as I know there maybe a few who use detectors..but most use road angel,as detectors are illegal in the east.

In the main though most just take their chances!

[T_Terror]

ive never been detected detected and havent heard of anyone that has.

[superpursuit83]

I am also in WA, Doesnt the Bell rx65 have detector detector detection?

What is road angel?

[The Taipan]

A Police Officer told me the most common and most reliable radar detector detector is when a suspect vehicle is pulled over officer A walks up to the driver and starts talking and taking details, while officer B gives the car a radar blast. If Driver A has not turned the device A off, officer A will hear a tell-tale noise...

SL

[ratman]

my brother got done a few years ago in n.s.w. - basically went past a cop car (slightly) speeding but in a convoy of 3, the detector went off quite late as it was on the Clyde (from canberra to the coast for those who don't know, it's quite a tight and twisty road.) he saw the copper go past having a good look at all of them. 2 minutes later he thought he'd pull over and hide the unit, as he was doing this, the cop rocks up and pings him. The officer told him he should have kept going as their detector went off but they didn't know exactly which of the 3 had it installed so were going to follow / overtake to see if anything was attached to the windscreen or their unit would go off again, but not pull anyone over for speeding.
my brother hit them with all the questions, which he says they seemed to be genuine about in how they can detect a unit, nonetheless they still confiscated it (& it wasn't his) hit him with an $895 fine for having one + $200 odd for speeding), needless to say the worst part of it was the rest of the trip down and back was with my mother, who was riding shotgun when he got done, never let him live it down then and still hammers him about it, gotta laugh now, though.

[scozzman]

pretty hefty fine...worse than drink driving.
what is road angel?

[GTP 320]

Originally Posted by scozzman

pretty hefty fine...worse than drink driving.
what is road angel?

Some sort of a cheap unit which will warn you of speed camera's etc,railways crossing,in my opinion a waste of time.A radar dectector would be the thing to have.
Cheers John

[IH8HSV]

i looked up ''road angel'' on the net. - and cant see it helping against cameras. especially police radar.
i suppose us w.a drivers will have to make our radar detectors obsolete just like those in the eastern states.
according to a review i read, the police ''stalcar'' cannot be hidden from even with the Bel rx65.

[cArSiK]

VG-2 is a microwave reciever used by Police to detect signals radiated by radar detectors. Spectre is the newest tool police have in detecting radar detectors , im not sure of any detectors on the market that alert the user to this new technology.

James

[F6 UTE]

Bel RX65 is just another detector, it has no stealth ability.

I use the Escort Passport 8500 X50, same same.

A 'Road Angel' will alert you of fixed location cameras, including Red lights, of which we have none in WAWA.

There is no 100% Stealth unit available. You can get units that will blow it's own fuse at the push of a button to make it 'undetectable' if a cop tries the trick of getting it to squalk when near it.. You can get hardwired ones which are stealth in that you can't 'see' them. But these are not truly 'undetectable'.

[Redrum]

Not aware at all of Vic Pol using detector detectors, couldn't afford them, plus lasers being such a tight beam and aimed, are already locked making detector, detectors useless.

[cArSiK]

Originally Posted by F6 UTE

You can get units that will blow it's own fuse at the push of a button to make it 'undetectable' if a cop tries the trick of getting it to squalk when near it..

why would you do that and not just pull the thing out of the ciggy lighter :

[Thunder]

Queensland based "radar guru" Roy Zegers makes radar detecters that so far have been fool proof. Last year i sent him an enquirey (from his website cant remember the site) and here is his response. Seems like a geniune guy.

Hi Xxxxx,
There is no gamble with our product of that you can be assured. We do understand your concerns but since the introduction of the net business most companies are now dealing this way.

There are many detectors available but these are all detectable by the Stalcar MK 3 RDD used in Australia by police. (www.spectre-rdd.com)
If you require a unit which is undetectable by the Stalcar MK 3 RDD then either the portable 426 plus at a cost of $1450 is available or the remote 526 plus which allows for a hidden instal at a cost of $1650. Both units will detect speed camera's and mobile radar used on the east coast of Australia.
Hand held laser guns such as the Prolaser 111 are used mainly in built up areas and require a separate device to detect and jam the laser gun. This device likewise is undetectable and available at a cost of $1650.
In most cases the devices are sold as a pair one radar remote and one laser remote at a reduced cost of $3050.

Regards
Roy Zegers
ARDS P/L

I cant see how i would get $3050 worth of fines to warrant the need to buy these units.

[GT 8888]

Originally Posted by Thunder

Queensland based "radar guru" Roy Zegers makes radar detecters that so far have been fool proof. Last year i sent him an enquirey (from his website cant remember the site) and here is his response. Seems like a geniune guy.

Hi Xxxxx,
There is no gamble with our product of that you can be assured. We do understand your concerns but since the introduction of the net business most companies are now dealing this way.

There are many detectors available but these are all detectable by the Stalcar MK 3 RDD used in Australia by police. (www.spectre-rdd.com)
If you require a unit which is undetectable by the Stalcar MK 3 RDD then either the portable 426 plus at a cost of $1450 is available or the remote 526 plus which allows for a hidden instal at a cost of $1650. Both units will detect speed camera's and mobile radar used on the east coast of Australia.
Hand held laser guns such as the Prolaser 111 are used mainly in built up areas and require a separate device to detect and jam the laser gun. This device likewise is undetectable and available at a cost of $1650.
In most cases the devices are sold as a pair one radar remote and one laser remote at a reduced cost of $3050.

Regards
Roy Zegers
ARDS P/L

I cant see how i would get $3050 worth of fines to warrant the need to buy these units.

I thought radar detectors were illegal in all states apart from WA.....I am surprised that this guy is allowed to sell them. I agree, it does seem to be a lot of money though.

A very good friend of mine has a radar detector and was caught on the Freeway the other day. No cars around him and his radar detector(which is only a few months old) did not pick up the laser gun at all.

[EA2BA]

Like alot of things, is not illegal to sell them, just illegal to use them.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by xr8888

I thought radar detectors were illegal in all states apart from WA.....I am surprised that this guy is allowed to sell them. I agree, it does seem to be a lot of money though.

A very good friend of mine has a radar detector and was caught on the Freeway the other day. No cars around him and his radar detector(which is only a few months old) did not pick up the laser gun at all.

Its only ilelegal to have one in the car, not illegal to sell.

The police have great technology on their side. Alot of the cheap detectors on the market are not designed for Australian police. The radars our East coast police use are different to many other countries (and different to W.A) so using a japanese or american designed detector would be useless.

Also more cops use LAZER guns to detect speed NOT RADAR. Lazers cannot be detected (cause they are so quick), their beam can only be shifted.

[GT 8888]

Originally Posted by Thunder

Its only ilelegal to have one in the car, not illegal to sell.

The police have great technology on their side. Alot of the cheap detectors on the market are not designed for Australian police. The radars our East coast police use are different to many other countries (and different to W.A) so using a japanese or american designed detector would be useless.

Also more cops use LAZER guns to detect speed NOT RADAR. Lazers cannot be detected (cause they are so quick), their beam can only be shifted.

I see your point regarding being able to sell them from anywhere.

From my experience I thought that most of the mobile units ( ie mounted in car ) were radar not laser. I travel to Melbourne a lot from Adelaide and very rarely do I see a hand held device ( laser ) with most now being in car radars. Also all speed cameras are radar not laser I think...

One thing that they will not detect is the old tapes accross the road....I thought these were a thing of the past until I saw one in Horsham late last year.


When you say the beam can be shifted, I assume by this you mean a jammer of some description. Wouldn't this alert the police that if no speed was detected by their laser gun that you are in fact using a jamming device therefore giving them grounds to search your car?

Cheers

Brad

[Thunder]

Brad, my points are re NSW police, but i know many of the eastern states are addopting these principle.

Firstly all "fixed" speed cameras (ie big boxes on tall poles, that have 3 warning signs prior) only work via sensors in the road (grids)

Secondly only "mobile" speed cameras, either road side portable or fixed into police cars are operated via radar.

Thirdly most of the NSW highway patrol and local area commands are now using hand held Lazer guns, not radar.

The laser is far more accurate. It works only when the trigger is pushed. The lazer beam only lasts less than a second and gets your speed reading, where as a radar can be detected.

Yes a lazer shifter or jammer is the only way to prevent a read on a police lazer gun, but there are ways to make it less obvious (i dont want to spoil the secret).

[GT 8888]

Originally Posted by Thunder

Brad, my points are re NSW police, but i know many of the eastern states are addopting these principle.

Yes a lazer shifter or jammer is the only way to prevent a read on a police lazer gun, but there are ways to make it less obvious (i dont want to spoil the secret).

Thanks mate...luckily I'm in South Australia....you know half an hour and 10 years behind !!!

And you can spoil the secret....I promise I wont tell anyone...lol

Brad

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Thunder

Queensland based "radar guru" Roy Zegers makes radar detecters that so far have been fool proof. Last year i sent him an enquirey (from his website cant remember the site) and here is his response. Seems like a geniune guy.

Hi Xxxxx,
There is no gamble with our product of that you can be assured. We do understand your concerns but since the introduction of the net business most companies are now dealing this way.

There are many detectors available but these are all detectable by the Stalcar MK 3 RDD used in Australia by police. (www.spectre-rdd.com)
If you require a unit which is undetectable by the Stalcar MK 3 RDD then either the portable 426 plus at a cost of $1450 is available or the remote 526 plus which allows for a hidden instal at a cost of $1650. Both units will detect speed camera's and mobile radar used on the east coast of Australia.
Hand held laser guns such as the Prolaser 111 are used mainly in built up areas and require a separate device to detect and jam the laser gun. This device likewise is undetectable and available at a cost of $1650.
In most cases the devices are sold as a pair one radar remote and one laser remote at a reduced cost of $3050.

Regards
Roy Zegers
ARDS P/L

I cant see how i would get $3050 worth of fines to warrant the need to buy these units.

I know little about how lasers work techincally, but how the hell does one jam a laser? A beam of light is sent to a vehicle and bounces back. The common probs are angle of surface, air conditions and colour of vehicle. Fog stuffs lasers, dark colours made them less effective also whilst truck windscreens can give higher readings. I could understand a radar being jammed.

[Keepleft]

You WA folk would do well to resist any move to try once again to ban radar detectors. The previous Liberal Transprt Minister, Criddle, stood his ground and prevented a ban, and to date, I've had no signal of change with this.

I se no road safety benefit in a ban.

If the issue heats up, DO make an effort to contact the existing WA Minister and opposition.

[nang3]

Originally Posted by Thunder

...I cant see how i would get $3050 worth of fines to warrant the need to buy these units.

that is pretty exxy !! but when you factor in the real world costs with losing your licence plus the fiscal penalties it looks a lot more attractive...

on a side note, i use a bel vector 945 and it has saved me more than a couple of times so far !!

[GT-E]

All detectors are RDD proof if they are turned off.
I have never had any issues with being detected in 10 years of daily use in Sydney. The RDD the highway patrol use are only used in country/freeway areas and are very prone to false alerting, just like normal detectors. Make sure you have a consealed unit as the cops cannot pull your car apart to find it.

Laser Jammers are great and do work. There would be only 2 models you would consider, the Blinder M-20 / 40 or the Lidtek LE-30, the rest are crap or a scam.
The LIDAR jammers work by receiving the LIDAR signal and replying with the same signal, so the gun cannot jam. With the LE-30 you have 5 seconds of jamming before it resets. The Blinder will continue to jam, so it must be turned off.

[IH8HSV]

Hi all....

does the laser jammer notify you when you are being pinged or do you have to hook it up to a radar detector?
i have a bel rx65, so can i hook it up to that? i know the bel rx65 has ''laser pro 905'' which is capatible with the rx65 but im not to sure if they work o.k or not.

how much are these ''blinder m20'' worth.
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Originally Posted by Thunder

Its only ilelegal to have one in the car, not illegal to sell.

Unless it has been changed, NSW rules has it illegal to sell and/or purchase.

a little light reading

TRAFFIC ACT 1909 - SECT 4AD
4AD Sale, purchase and use of prohibited speed measuring evasion articles

(1) A person must not sell or offer for sale, or purchase, a prohibited speed measuring evasion article.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

(2) A person must not drive a motor vehicle, or cause a motor vehicle or trailer to stand, on a road or road related area if a prohibited speed measuring evasion article is fitted or applied to, or carried in, the vehicle.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

(3) The owner of a motor vehicle or trailer which is driven or stands on a road or road related area in contravention of subsection (2) is guilty of an offence.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

(4) It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence under this section if the defendant satisfies the court that the article concerned was not designed as a prohibited speed measuring evasion article but was designed for another purpose.

(5) It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence under subsection (2) or (3) if the defendant satisfies the court that, at the time of the alleged offence:

(a) the vehicle was in the course of a journey to a place appointed by a member of the police force, an officer of the Authority or a court, in order to surrender the article, or

(b) the vehicle was the subject of a notice, issued in accordance with the regulations, requiring the owner of the vehicle to remove the article from the vehicle within a specified time and that time had not expired, or (c) the defendant did not know, and in the circumstances could not reasonably be expected to have known, that the article concerned was fitted or applied to, or was being carried in, the vehicle


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TRAFFIC ACT 1909 - SECT 4AE

4AE Surrender and forfeiture of prohibited speed measuring evasion articles

(1) A police officer who reasonably believes that:

(a) a prohibited speed measuring evasion article is being sold or offered for sale in contravention of section
4AD (1), or

(b) a motor vehicle or trailer is standing or being driven in contravention of section 4AD (2) because of an article fitted or applied to, or carried in, the vehicle, may require a person in possession of the article to surrender it immediately to the police officer or, in the case of an article fitted or applied to a motor vehicle or trailer and not immediately removable, may by notice in writing served on the owner of the vehicle require the owner to surrender the article within a specified time and in a specified manner to the Commissioner of Police.

(2) An officer of the Authority who is authorised in writing by the Authority for the purposes of this section and who finds a prohibited speed measuring evasion article fitted or applied to, or carried in, a motor vehicle or trailer may, by notice in writing served on the owner of the vehicle, require the owner to do either or both of the following:

(a) remove the article (if it is fitted to the vehicle),

(b) surrender the article within a specified time and in a specified manner to the Commissioner of Police.

(3) A person must comply with a requirement under subsection (1) or (2), whether or not he or she is the owner of the article concerned.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

(4) A court which finds an offence under section 4AD or under subsection (3) to have been proven against any person may order that the article concerned, if not already surrendered pursuant to a requirement under this section, be delivered to the Commissioner of Police within a time and in a manner specified by the court.

(5) An article surrendered as required under this section is thereby forfeited to the Crown and may be destroyed or otherwise disposed of at the direction of the Commissioner of Police.

(6) No liability attaches to any person on account of the surrender by the person, in pursuance of a requirement under this section, of a prohibited speed measuring evasion article of which that person is not the absolute owner


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TRAFFIC ACT 1909 - SECT 2
Definitions

Prohibited speed measuring evasion article means any device or substance that is designed, or apparently designed, to be fitted or applied to, or to be carried in, a motor vehicle or trailer for the purpose of detecting, interfering with, or reducing the effectiveness of, an approved speed measuring device, and includes a radar detecting device and a radar jamming device. Radar detecting device means a device designed or apparently designed to be fitted to or carried in a motor vehicle or trailer for the purpose of detecting electromagnetic radiations from an approved speed measuring device. Radar jamming device means a device designed or apparently designed to be fitted to or carried in a motor vehicle or trailer for the purpose of interfering with the receiving by an approved speed measuring device of reflected electromagnetic radiations.

[superpursuit83]

(4) It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence under this section if the defendant satisfies the court that the article concerned was not designed as a prohibited speed measuring evasion article but was designed for another purpose.

Maybe we can argue that it alerts you of emergency vehicles ??
And thats what u use it for

My Bell does, lets you know when roadworks are ahead also. So the item is designed for another purpose.

Maybe ??

[nang3]

^^ yeh my bel does too !! surprised me the other day when it announced Highway Construction/Maintenace ahead... then later that day informed me that there was a medical situation/emergency ahead, sure enough a couple of kays down the road there was a crash with ambo etc
i didnt even know it had it !!

[AUCOON]

A simple fix to your problem don't speed!

[GT-E]

Thanks for the comment AUCOON, I am sure you have never spead, there is always one tosser in the crowd

The LIDAR jammers will detect and countermeasure a LIDAR reading.
They will cost you around the $500-600 mark.