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31-01-2006, 05:03 PM | #1 | ||
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hi people im thinkin bout turboin my ef i just want to know what sort of compression i should run and computer cam and what is a nice size turbo thats suitable im thinkin about a t07 but if some 1 can help me ill be doin most of the work my self and does any body have a second hand turbo manifold any help thanks and its a manule
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31-01-2006, 05:16 PM | #2 | ||
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Talk to racecraft. He knows his stuff. I would seriously look at an AU motor before you even start. Much stronger in stock form.
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31-01-2006, 06:07 PM | #3 | ||
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31-01-2006, 06:56 PM | #4 | |||
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Get a T04e, Super T70, KKK600r, GT35/40 or a T04Z turbo.. Manifold, 50mm wastegate, oil feed/drain lines, water aswell depending on turbo, oil sender T piece Front mount intercooler - 600x300x76mm Engine management - EMS Stinger 4424 is more then adaquate and cheap. atleast 36lb injectors, i would use 42lb (440cc) injectors Walbro 255 intank fuel pump rising rate reg, 10:1 ratio atleast.. 12:1 is better imo.. speak with 6boost, look in the forsale sections, or look on Snortperformance.com for parts.. works out to be about 5k in parts.. have fun.. run it up to 15psi, get it tuned WELL, if you want it to last get a good tune.. |
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31-01-2006, 06:57 PM | #5 | |||
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Not necessarily. Both motors have their merits but an E-series motor is probably more suited to boost than an AU motor due to the lower compression ratio and thicker ring lands on the pistons. As long as your motor has good compression, I'd stick with the one you have. |
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31-01-2006, 07:08 PM | #6 | ||
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sphell is right, AU comp is 9.6:1 where as an EB or something is 8.8:1 the boost differece is about 5-6lb between them..
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31-01-2006, 07:58 PM | #7 | ||
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sorry to hijack the thread, and this is probably very relevant as well but do the springs/cam/rocker assembly have to be changed for the higher compression? or any other "inside" work need doing to the eseries I6 Mpfi
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31-01-2006, 08:07 PM | #8 | |||
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Nup. Some people fit stronger valve springs when fitting a bigger cam etc but all that stuff can stay stock for a turbo application. |
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31-01-2006, 08:12 PM | #9 | ||
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well that depends, higher boost levels can require better valve springs.
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31-01-2006, 09:45 PM | #10 | |||
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31-01-2006, 10:05 PM | #11 | |||
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A fuel pressure reg that increases pressure with boost with a ratio of 1:1, like a Malpassi, will be fine.
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31-01-2006, 10:11 PM | #12 | ||
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fair enough, learn something new every day with you dave.
power output = easily 200-220rwkw |
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31-01-2006, 10:23 PM | #13 | |||
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01-02-2006, 12:23 AM | #14 | ||
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hey,an adjustable rising rate fuel pressure regulator and an air fuel ratio meter, as well as a fuel pump upgrade (eg. bosch 044) would be a cheap way of getting started, and ensuring a lean out does not destroy your engine. Also starting at the lowest boost setting possible, and mixtures on the rich side would be the cautious path to take. There was a twin turbo, intercooled ef ute that ran fine with the stock tune and 6psi.
Chiptorque and others have done turbo chips for the ef that shold be fine till around 10psi, (depends how big your intercooler is) after that a custom tune or a good dyno shop would be the go. As for turbo size the BA turbo is good for 800hp, its pretty damn big and isn't laggy. T04's can make 600hp@wheels on eb 6cyl. It depends on what you want to do with the car: if you want a torquey daily driver that is boosting from near idle choose something around 450hp, if you want a drag car something 1000hp+ would be the go, and she'd probably start to make boost at 2800rpm. I just got a 1000hp+ Garrett,and its going on an ef. The oil lines are the tricky part for me. Good luck --GO THE E-SERIES----GO THE E-SERIES----GO THE E-SERIES----GO THE E-SERIES-- |
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01-02-2006, 12:27 AM | #15 | ||
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As for the exhaust manifold, you can either get the flange welded to the stock exhaust manifold, try tsa who sold ford turbo kits, or does anyone know if the BA FORD TURBO exhaust manifold will fit an ef?
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01-02-2006, 12:30 AM | #16 | ||
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oil lines would be easy..
go to Pirtek or something, they will give you a T piece for the oil sender(inlet side), and a hose from that to the turbo, and also a drain line down from the turbo, drill into the sump, tap a thread and screw in your drain line fitting(exhaust side) wont even be $100 As far as i know, the BA XR6T exhaust manifold wouldnt bolt on, the flange onto the stock exhaust manifold is dodgey... speak to 6boost, EBXR8240 or snortperformance.com for a manifold.. |
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01-02-2006, 01:29 AM | #17 | ||
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best way to do it is get the quality parts, one at a time. Have a set weekly allowance and go from there... takes a bit if time but at least you can get the relevent info for each purchased piece of machinery....
Dont go cheap, because you will be merely dissapointed in the end. Go the Gt35/40, with a 1.06 rear. will give you insane top end power. And talk to 6boost, he will do a log manifold very cheap, but have a look at his tuned length manifold. On a 3psi spring, im getting 6psi manifold boost. When he sprayed the air gun into 1 port, you could feel the other 5 ports sucking in air. Imagine what this would be like with boost. You have to add things like dump pipe, air filters (4 inch can be pricey), BOVs, intercooler piping, 3 inch exhaust, hi flow cat, injectors, wolf 3d(dont skimp on ems..), tuning, labour(your a legend if you can do it all yourself, lsd diff(getting wheelspin at 50km/h on qtr throttle... and the rest... youll be looking easily at 8000+ for a perfect setup... But its up to you.. you can do it real cheap if you wanted.
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01-02-2006, 01:39 AM | #18 | ||
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i cant go any thing to big in turbo wise at the moment as ill be drivin it on me p's when i get them im only lookin at runnin about 12 psi mabe higher computer is my only problem and the manifold at the moment as the rest i can get dad to get from his work but all thanks for ur replys now ill go around and get prices and so $$ then i can start
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01-02-2006, 01:57 AM | #19 | ||
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well in that case, get a cheap turbo off ebay, and make you rown manifold out of the stock exhaust manifold. There is an article on fordmods ive been told, on how to do it?
just get a rising rate fuel reg and you will be well into the 14s mate.
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01-02-2006, 12:00 PM | #20 | ||
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nah i would like to do it properly the first time but just want to run the stander injectors would this work or not thanks but am lookin for a cheap moifold or a second hand 1 thanks
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01-02-2006, 12:03 PM | #21 | ||
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dont intend on running the standard injectors over like 5psi..
manifolds turn up for about 600 bucks every now and then |
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01-02-2006, 12:09 PM | #22 | ||
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kool what other injector could i runi only want to run a bout 12 psi
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01-02-2006, 12:17 PM | #23 | ||
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36lbs injectors is what i would recommend
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01-02-2006, 12:23 PM | #24 | ||
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kool thanks il see how i get the funds first then ill start buyin this to do the turbo conersion should be fun once it finished tho ill het back to ya if i get stuck or some thing else thanks guys and girls
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01-02-2006, 08:10 PM | #25 | |||
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If you can't afford engine management changes yet, and your only running 5-6psi to start, you should be fine with an AFPR/FMU and stock injectors.
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01-02-2006, 09:03 PM | #26 | ||
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you need engine management mate... i suggest concentrate on getting it running nicely on 5psi with stock everything. It will surprise you.. qtr throtle gets me wheelspin at 55km/h with 6psi, stock everything and a 3.08 diff.. you cant bodge up engine management though unfortunately, thats where the big $ kill ya.
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02-02-2006, 07:54 AM | #27 | ||
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so if i run it all stock with cooler and 5psi is there any other mod's or she ill sweet
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02-02-2006, 12:55 PM | #28 | ||
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stock with cooler, 5psi and a rising rate fuel regulator... Then just a few little things like a boost gauge and youll be sweet. You will have to run PULP though, as you will still be running lean.
But yeh, qtr throttle on 6psi with the regulator gives me wheel spin throughout the rev range, so you will have to invest in an lsd if you wanna go a little quicker. You could use a unichip, but again, you wont get the best results. But you will still get a little better than stock.
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02-02-2006, 01:19 PM | #29 | ||
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theres nothing wrong with unichips..
spiro is getting upwards of 340rwkw on XR6 turbos with unichips.. also has a supercharged Au falcon running a unichip, no problems.. |
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02-02-2006, 01:24 PM | #30 | ||
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Of course there is nothing wrong with them, but they dont have the same versatility as a standalone unit.
I would spend the little extra and go all out first, that way you wont have to upgrade later.
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