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Now drifting a falcon
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Albany Western Australia
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i dragged my mates vp commodore 5spd manual ute against ,my ed v8. Ive got extractors hi flow cats and filter, hes just changed the mufflers and air filter. I had a very hard time beating him. he ate me off the start and i only reeled him in very slowly but once the quarter was done his front end was at my boot still. Now i looked up the specs on them, and it says the vp commo standard was 0-100 in 8 secs!!!! thats quicker than any other commo till 2004!!! whats the deal with that. is it because they are so light??? btw mines auto.........
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Formerly AU2XLSV8
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Yeah they are quick off the line for what they are. The e series Windsor is a fairly asthmatic version of a great engine. That and your Auto ratios against his Manual puts things well and truly in his favour.
Good news is it doesn't take much to get yours going fast enough to well and truly hand his Commo Ar$e to him.
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Now drifting a falcon
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Albany Western Australia
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i still beat him but, we kept longer than the quarter, i left him at 140. but yeh so are they quicker than new ones like the specs say?
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Newcastle, NSW
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I think its because, VPs have a fair bit of low down torque, so ive heard anyway.
VNs are the same too. Still doesnt change the fact, that the old 3800 is a rattle box full of clangs and sound like a bogan slapping his thongs together. |
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Now drifting a falcon
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Albany Western Australia
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but that rattle box ate my v8, then agen i get did get alot of wheelspin but yeh, it almost had me...........
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Newcastle, NSW
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Also the VNs/VPs are quicker then every V6 up until the VY, I think. I dont like the V6s though, the only V Configuration engine I would get in a Holden, is one with 8 Cylinders. ;) |
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Now drifting a falcon
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Albany Western Australia
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whats the difference between them and the vr's, are they as quick, i just wanna know what im gonna be up against, how much slower r vr's???
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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BLUE OVAL INC.
Join Date: Feb 2006
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From what i can remember the VR's were the best motors but were heavy on fuel as the injection system was more of a flood the intakes set up and didn't change to seqential injection until VS.
Apparently the 95 VS was the worst as the new injection had a lot of problems |
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Now drifting a falcon
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Albany Western Australia
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so did the vr's eat the vn and vp's or did they get left behind like the rest?
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Clevo Mafia Inc.
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Location: Melbourne
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A few years ago my wife had a stock Vr wagon and i had stock XH (EL) panel van, both auto 6 cylinder, we lined them up, a mate driving the commo, they were equal in 1st gear, the van pulled half a length soon as it hit second gear and kept pulling away, i was surprised as the VR "felt" faster off the mark.
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: SE suburbs, Melbourne
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BLUE OVAL INC.
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Without having a book to quote from i would say the weight would have been a factor to slow the VR as i "think" they were heavier.
Chances are they gear ratios would have been toned down to get some sort of comparable fuel consumption stats to combat rising fuel costs and earn corporate dollars in fleet sales. |
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Only a matter of time.
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Melbourne
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But many people have said the Auto VP is quicker then the Manual VP just because you need to get so many things right on take off. Remove the bell mouth behind the Throttle body of the VP and it's got even more take off power. The engines from VS to VY the ecotec V6 was better at higher speeds. The VP weight is 1350kg i think, Power 127kw and 293Nm. They have a good mid range power and very good low down, They build the revs very fast and easy.
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BLUE OVAL INC.
Join Date: Feb 2006
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99' AU Falcon Forte
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Melbourne
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I thought VS Exec's were the quickest with the upgraded 147kw engine and still less weight? Not sure though...
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Now drifting a falcon
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Albany Western Australia
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yeh from the same site i got 8.0 secs for vp it says 8.9 for vs..........
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Only a matter of time.
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Melbourne
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VS had more power and Torque slightly more weight, But again it's all in the Transmission to limit it's speed off the mark to hold back wheel-spin. by the time they build the speed up they are already a good 3-4 car lengths behind a VP or VN.
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Supercharged Mang-mobile
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Behind the wheel
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vn was the quickest because it had the most low down torque, less weight, short first gear, so much that it was prone to wheelspin and they were supposedly dangerous in rain especially with elderly and other non enthusiasts "lighting them up" by accident and having accident since then holden has decreased the pick up with each model(v6) vr had more power but was alot heavier car compared to vp and vn aswell as having less low down torque to further correct the wheelspin problem, the vs was the same, but supposedly has more torque higher in the rev range(couldve fooled me!) with even slower take off and acceleration times but having more engine kw and then the vt onward cars are just fat ***'s:p
**edit**someone like steffo would most likely have all the figures available for each car to give further insight**edit**
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Supercharged Mang-mobile
Join Date: Jul 2005
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damn slick you beat me to it:P
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09/00 VX HSV XU6 Build #0001 of 0171 http://fordforums.com.au/showthread....09#post5571209 -- Best E/T: |14.982 @92.12mph | R/T:0.013 | 60' 2.213| 330: 6.283 | 1/8: 9.624 @ 73.17mph | 1000: 12.529 | 25Deg, N/A Hum, 1010mb | Willowbank Raceway 7/12/16 Tickford EL Falcon XR6 RIP ![]() -- Factory Manual -- Best E/T: |14.991 @ 92.71mph | R/T: 0.607 | 60': 2.215 | 660': 9.665 |13Deg, 86%H, 1024mb, 184RA @ Willowbank Raceway |
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Only a matter of time.
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Melbourne
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![]() ![]() There was a story on the VN vs VP, they would take off down the 1/4 and the VN would get the jump by about a bonnet, As they built up speeds to get near the end the VP would start to real it in, By the Finnish it's anyones guess. My car with new tranny is faster then it was before, But i feel it's faster because it shifts ![]() I had a VS Executive in 96 brand-new hired car for about 2 weeks. I loved it but slug *** slow very frustrating it was no confidence in pulling out on traffic at all. One day i did a u-turn and floored it by the time i turned straight it finally hit power:P Finally i was saying finally some power. The VYII i was in not long ago wasn't as bad feeling it was funny it felt sharper if thats possible with a heavier car?. I wouldnt trust my life on the take off's of the VS at all.
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Supercharged Mang-mobile
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Behind the wheel
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the supercharged wh i tried today was quicker then what i expected but once it got upto 70km/h it didnt wanna keep creeping up like it was(all driven normally and not hard with salesman in car) and one thing that really got annoying was that it really didnt wanna hold its speed, i was constantly on the accelerator just like in my pintara and thats the reason why i never take that thing on highway drives or long trips anymore
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Only a matter of time.
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Melbourne
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Same with me if I'm on the freeway @ 100 next thing i could be doing 95 or even 105 it's the biggest pain in the ring
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Turbine Power
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Wagga Wagga
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: North Haven, Adelaide
Posts: 2,886
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im not a big fan of the holden v6's alot of my mates drive them most auto's but a few manuals with the same mods i got(extractors, hi flo cat, 2.5inch exhaust, good clutch and cold air) and none come close, its always bout the same in 1st, when i hit second its seeya later. been up against a few 5lt's all with exhaust, one manual 2 autos. the autos i only got it by a whisker, and the manual he got me by bout 1/2 a car. everybody raves on bout how quick the vn's and vp's are, in my first eb which was auto and had a mpfi 3.9 in it, in first gear against my mates vn auto he would get it by half a car then second would come and id catch up and get in front. even my escort used to keep up againts vn's and vp's
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Living the dream
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: NSW
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I had a VP before my AU, they're pretty quick in the 0-60kph bracket, but after that, they start to struggle. Midrange throttle response is shisen, its just that they launch like a cut cat. The old 3.8 produces 90% of its torque down low (ie 1500-3500), but at high revs its all noise and vibration.
The gearing the TH700 in the VP's was such that 1st gear was very short, but 2nd and 3rd rather tall. As stated before, rolling start acceleration was very poor. |
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Only a matter of time.
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Melbourne
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You think VP's don't have much after 60? Tell that to the VQII Statesman V8 that had me in his mirrors. Or my new best mate around the corner in his VN 5LT (sold now to slow:P). man tell my brother he will back these cars up.
If I'm at 60 or even 100 i can kickdown and move very fast. Best thing is if I'm doing 20-30 and it drops back to 1st no 6 will stay with it have you ever felt the kickdown power of the Buick V6. They do 15's even at the ripe old age of 14. Tell that to the guy the played with his Memcal at home and did a 6.8sec 0-100 time in his VN V6. Max power isn't until 4800rpm. You go head 2 head with a VN-VP in a EA-EB all cars stock standard 6's and auto the Holden's will win i put my whole reputation on that for sure.
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The one and only
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Carrum Downs, Victoria
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I found holden lost alot down low torque when they went ecotech.
Beetus, get some real diff gears first!
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