Jap performance engines in Escorts??

[ratta tat tat]

Does anyone know if a CA18 or SR20 engine can be legally engineered into a MK1 Escort in Qld? I understand it would cost a fortune, but I'm curious as to whether or not it can be legally done.

[whooligan]

Might seem obvious but, why don't you contact the Qld RTA? I know QLD has problems with interstate registered V8 Capris so maybe its a flat out NO. One phone call could save you a lot of money and grief.....either that or move to a more progressive state. :

[caprispecial]

We have a corolla sprinter with high power ca18 in queensland legaly registered. The secret is the "blue" plate. See the aforementioned rta. then look up an engineer and he will sort out a plan with you.

[ricthewheelie]

Sacrilege !!!!!!!!! put a cosworth in it or a lotus motor, not jap stuff

Eskys with SR20s have been done before. It would be fairly easy for engineering, compared to putting in a 6 or 8 into it.

Get the motor out of an early S13, compared to a S15, from what I've been told, you only have to conform to the S13 year model's ADR laws.

Although a CA18 would be cheaper to source.

[ricthewheelie]

noooooooooo, please not :, My Esky was my first real car, you'll destroy my image of blowing off V8's in my worked mark II

[Simmo]

get over it mate. the jap engines crap on anything we ever got. as long as its pushing a blue oval what does it matter.

[Scareybear]

I know of 1 being built now, should be registered in about 3 months

[$90esky]

should be able as they are 2 litre, same capacity as a pinto and the aspiration doesn't matter, but insurance will get ya ;)

[39ClevoUte]

Not a real big performance mod, but, what about this....
I had a Twin Cam back in the early 70s and in 93 my wife was looking a buying a Capri (new Convertable). I poped the bonnet and what did I see...an engine that looked very familiar..If a mazda 1600 DOHC is not a copy of a Lotus I don't know what is!
Even better there is an 1800 version of it.
The only problem I could see would be engine mounts (not to hard) and Distributor (could be an issue).

Any thoughts???

[ratta tat tat]

Yeah, we just bought a 94 model Mazda 626 SDX last week. The test drive sold me! 2.5L DOHC EFI V6 engine. They seem prettey smooth..

[39ClevoUte]

Yeah, but they don't look like the original Twin Cam lotus motor. The 1600s do.

[R0BD0G]

whats wrong with a ford V4 apart from how hard to find they are

[39ClevoUte]

They weigh about two ton and the power to weight ratio is probabley the worst of any engine ever designed and manufactured.

They are hard to find because most were in Transit vans which were either torched in frustration or converted to Falcon 250 6's that used less fuel and went about 450% better. I believe you will find a stash of them at Bobbin Head in Sydney where they were exclusively used as boat anchors.

[ratta tat tat]

I's just saying that the Mazda engines are quite nice performers. The twin cam Lotus lookalike would certainly be the right choice..

[39ClevoUte]

Specialy considering it appears in a ford Capri and Laser.
hey also agree these mazda motors, specially over 2ltrs go like hell!

[whooligan]

Originally Posted by 54Ghia

They weigh about two ton and the power to weight ratio is probabley the worst of any engine ever designed and manufactured.

They are hard to find because most were in Transit vans which were either torched in frustration or converted to Falcon 250 6's that used less fuel and went about 450% better. I believe you will find a stash of them at Bobbin Head in Sydney where they were exclusively used as boat anchors.

Bit harse, but not far off the truth. The V4 was never meant to be a performance motor (about the same power to weight ratio of the pinto, but had more torque.) Basically a V6 with 2 pot chopped off. Would make an excellent retro conversion for an Mk 1 Escort. If I could find one, I'd put one in my van. :eclipsee_

[39ClevoUte]

I seriously doubt the power to weight ratio being the same a 2Ltr. Back in the 70s I can't remember a single V4 being used in any conversion around the traps or in any publications. The 1600, Twim Cam and 2Ltr where all the rage, (and very occasionally the 250cuin for track). I remember Bob Holden building a 2ltr with a BW automatic for Ford Australia to trial around 74 I think.

Maybe retro if your a POM

[39ClevoUte]

1700 V4 2000 V4 2000E/GT
Engine 4 cyl ohv 4 cyl ohv 4 cyl ohv
Capacity 1664cc 1996cc 1996cc
Bore 93.67 mm 93.67 mm 93.67 mm
Stroke 60.35 mm 72.42 mm 72.42 mm
Compression ratio 7.7 or 9.1:1 7.7 or 8.9:1 8.9:1
Max BHP (HC) 76.5 @ 4750 rpm 88 @ 4750 rpm 97 @ 5000
Max torque lbs/ft 94 @ 3000 rpm 116.5 @ 2750 rpm 113.5 @ 3k
Gearing 17.7 mph/1000 rpm 17.8 mph/1000 rpm
Tyres 5.60 x 13 or 165 x 13 radial
Kerb weight 2166 lb 2166 lb 2254 lb
Length 14 ft 9 in 14 ft 9 in
Width 5 ft 3.5 in 5 ft 3.5 in

Top speed 84mph 84mph 98mph
Average mpg 25 25 20


Pinto
The Pinto engine was available in displacements of 1.3 L, 1.6 L, 1.8 L and 2.0 L. Due to emission requirements it was phased out towards the end of the 1980s.
Applications:

The 2.0 L (1993 cm³) EAO was used in many vehicles from the early 1970s. Bore was 90.8 mm (3.57 in) and stroke was 76.9 mm (3.03 in). The 1971 Pinto and Capri used this engine with a single Weber 32/36 DFAV carburetor and 8.2:1 compression. In this application, it produced 64 kW (86 hp) and 140 N·m (103 ft·lbf). The engine was produced in Cologne, Germany.

Output in the Escort RS2000 was 82 kW (110 hp) and 161 N·m (119 ft·lbf).

Applications:

1971 Ford Pinto 2000
1971 Ford Capri 2000
Ford Cortina Mk III and IV
1975 Ford Escort RS2000
1978 Ford Transit

[ratta tat tat]

Schooled.. :

[GRNKPR]

Escorts are to dear at $ 150 an hour id hate to drive one all day

[whooligan]

Originally Posted by 54Ghia

1700 V4 2000 V4 2000E/GT
Engine 4 cyl ohv 4 cyl ohv 4 cyl ohv
Capacity 1664cc 1996cc 1996cc
Bore 93.67 mm 93.67 mm 93.67 mm
Stroke 60.35 mm 72.42 mm 72.42 mm
Compression ratio 7.7 or 9.1:1 7.7 or 8.9:1 8.9:1
Max BHP (HC) 76.5 @ 4750 rpm 88 @ 4750 rpm 97 @ 5000
Max torque lbs/ft 94 @ 3000 rpm 116.5 @ 2750 rpm 113.5 @ 3k
Gearing 17.7 mph/1000 rpm 17.8 mph/1000 rpm
Tyres 5.60 x 13 or 165 x 13 radial
Kerb weight 2166 lb 2166 lb 2254 lb
Length 14 ft 9 in 14 ft 9 in
Width 5 ft 3.5 in 5 ft 3.5 in

Top speed 84mph 84mph 98mph
Average mpg 25 25 20


Pinto
The Pinto engine was available in displacements of 1.3 L, 1.6 L, 1.8 L and 2.0 L. Due to emission requirements it was phased out towards the end of the 1980s.
Applications:

The 2.0 L (1993 cm³) EAO was used in many vehicles from the early 1970s. Bore was 90.8 mm (3.57 in) and stroke was 76.9 mm (3.03 in). The 1971 Pinto and Capri used this engine with a single Weber 32/36 DFAV carburetor and 8.2:1 compression. In this application, it produced 64 kW (86 hp) and 140 N·m (103 ft·lbf). The engine was produced in Cologne, Germany.

Output in the Escort RS2000 was 82 kW (110 hp) and 161 N·m (119 ft·lbf).

Applications:

1971 Ford Pinto 2000
1971 Ford Capri 2000
Ford Cortina Mk III and IV
1975 Ford Escort RS2000
1978 Ford Transit

Jesus, mate....Get a life. I'm talking "novelty" conversion not performance statistics. I'm not dissing the pinto, I have 2 of them, one which is quicker than my stock V6 Capri, but I just think a V4 would be a good little conversion in a Mk 1 van. :

By the way your stats give the higher spec uk pinto...... Aus spec pinto. 93.8bhp 2lt/109lb torque. :Reverend: They don't call me pintopunter for nothing.

[39ClevoUte]

Cool

[mr scotto]

geez, i'v never seen a v4 ford in a car .seen plenty of them get rebuilt at hot rod shows .if you want people to look at something give them somthing they hav'nt seen.i think a v4 in a esky van done up write could have some WOW factor about it.then again an sr20 might give the driver a WOW factor.

[tufLTD]

Originally Posted by ratta tat tat

Does anyone know if a CA18 or SR20 engine can be legally engineered into a MK1 Escort in Qld? I understand it would cost a fortune, but I'm curious as to whether or not it can be legally done.

It can be done legally in Qld. My nephew looked into it a while back but the costs & hassles of fitting a Jap engine were too much. If I was going to go to that sort of trouble, I'd rather fit a Windsor V8, then you would have something to talk about. There's your WOW factor & plenty of grunt too!

[old fordnut]

Originally Posted by Simmo

get over it mate. the jap engines crap on anything we ever got. as long as its pushing a blue oval what does it matter.

Mate the sierra cossie motor is just as good if not better than jap crap. Just look at bathurst inm the turbo years. GTR's were OK, but they were 6 cylinders. Dick johnson just loved them. Lighting them up in top gear. Go the Cossie

[broady081]

dont go the rice burner go the rice pudding cooker COZZIE COZZIE COZZIE OI OI OI

[broady081]

if u want jap power id go a sr20

[broady081]

Originally Posted by old fordnut

Mate the sierra cossie motor is just as good if not better than jap crap. Just look at bathurst inm the turbo years. GTR's were OK, but they were 6 cylinders. Dick johnson just loved them. Lighting them up in top gear. Go the Cossie

the most ive heard that someone as got out of a cozzie is 420bhp now if u put that in a mk1 or mk2 at 900kgs i think.( now thats a weapon.)

[THORNSPAWN]

Originally Posted by broady081

the most ive heard that someone as got out of a cozzie is 420bhp now if u put that in a mk1 or mk2 at 900kgs i think.( now thats a weapon.)

From a 2L cossie, try 700+Hp