What will it take to stop the scumbags?

pauljh74 · 25-04-2005, 09:52 PM

I thought I'd make a new thread rather than hijack the thread dedicated to the slain policeman. Just that it seems the law just lets the real crooks go too often. A case which unfolded almost on my front doorstep over these last 24 hours is what I'm referring to.

Last night I heard some yelling and something being smashed, so I opened the front door to have a look as I thought it was kids vandalising stuff when I saw my neighbour's (adult) son being escorted away by 2 cops. I didn't hear anything before this and was about to run out to get a look at what I thought was kids. He was in an agitated state and was the aggressor harrassing his own Mum - who I heard had kicked him out in Feb. So this was midnight Sunday night.

Then today at around midday he came back and there was a bunch of yelling to the point where I thought he was getting out of control and was about to call the cops. But at this point I heard the woman's partner/friend etc outside my window on the phone to the cops. The son had been yelling and throwing stuff both in and outside the house for almost an hour before the cops showed up (25 mins after the call was made). So the cops take him away again at 1pm and I heard the woman telling the cops that he's done it a few times already since she kicked him out - he gets drunk and comes over and abuses her. I heard her say he punched a hole in the wall and was carrying a knife. She was really scared of him.

What absolutely amazed me was that come 5pm, he turned up AGAIN on his own to get his car. Fair enough, he needed to get his car, but I would have expected the police to drop him off and make sure he causes no trouble. As it was he yelled some obscenities out the car window, drove really fast out the driveway of the estate. Then he dropped a big burnout and tore off up the road. So he still wasn't playing nice.

If we have laws that allow for cops to take cars away from people "hooning", and such vigilant enforcement on infringements no more serious than civil disobedience, then why the hell does the law let this guy, who has been threatening his own mother twice in 12 hours, not only walk away within a few hours of arrest, but freely come within 10 metres of the house after the first 2 incidents?

MrQuan · 25-04-2005, 09:57 PM

His Mum needs to take out a restraining order against him. Otherwise I guess he can go where he pleases (the exception being trespassing ofcourse).

Psycho Chicken · 25-04-2005, 09:58 PM

A justice system that doesn't give out slaps on the wrist?

rodderz · 25-04-2005, 09:58 PM

I guess it's one of those jobs where you need to experience it to know what really happens and what really needs to be done.

There are some police/ex police on the forums who could shed light on this subject, but I would say that i agree with your thoughts on more could be done, but from a legal point of view the police really need solid evidence of chargeable offences before they take action

MrQuan · 25-04-2005, 10:00 PM

But think about it... what do you think the cops can do? Unless his Mum presses charges?

gtfpv · 25-04-2005, 10:08 PM

the law seems so wrong on this accasion this man is obviously a repeat offender but he keeps being let go. at the police station to do it again no wonder he has no guilt he is treated that way. innocent. how bad is this if he shoots his mother or a police officer would anyone be surprised . so i ask . who is the law protecting.

**M&Ms** · 25-04-2005, 10:11 PM

It's unfortunate really that this can happen. And I do not blame the cops one bit for this, but rather the state governemnt who'd rather spend most of it's time seeking new places to put speed cameras then focus on real issues which really do harm people. It appears the police have no power to help unlesss someone gets assaulted or killed. Really sad.

sfr rob · 25-04-2005, 10:31 PM

Mate, IT is unbelievable what we call "policing" these days!!!!

Police these days are too afraid of being sued, fired etc etc for using FORCE.

Take a look at the bloody riots those fricken hippies have up at woomera for instance...... They are chucking rocks, pulling cops off horses etc etc... and the police just stand there.
I think police should be getting in there, and belting the living shit out of the morons, that way they will NEVER try and do anything like that AGAIN!

it is one thing that really really makes me furious!

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The MaDDeSTMaN · 25-04-2005, 10:40 PM

After being in the situation where several calls were made to the police, stating that it was an emergency and there was a good chance people would be killed, and having the police finally arrive HOURS later... Not to mention their complete lack of any help after our house being broken into and our cars attacked and vandalised, including failing to provide victim reports... Well, I don't think it takes a genius to work out that I now have litte faith in the police in this area...

pauljh74 · 25-04-2005, 11:14 PM

On this occasion I used the term "Law" instead of police - as police can be victims of the law as well. But you'd think after the second time he wouldn't have been allowed to go get his car on his own - he should have been escorted there by the police and they should have made sure he left the area. Sure, she could get a restraining order, but we all know how useless they are. The crims keep ignoring them and the courts keep letting them walk after multiple breaches. In those cases, I reckon a week in the lock up for breaching a restraining order for the first offence, then a month, then 3 months, then 6, then a year for each subsequent offence.

I heard him yelling for them to get his keys - they must have taken them after he let himself in. Then I think they locked him out, but had to go outside to try and calm him down. Basically, he was kicked out, because he would get drunk then abusive, but he keeps coming over. He is living somewhere else and has a job - so he's not destitute.

XRated · 25-04-2005, 11:33 PM

How could you wake up in the morning knowing you abused your own mother AGAIN? What a scum bag.

26-04-2005, 12:14 AM

The fact is that his mother has to press charges against her son and unless people have been in that situation, you have no idea how hard it is for them to do. No parent really wants to see their own child behind bars...

sfr rob · 26-04-2005, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by xrgran

The fact is that his mother has to press charges against her son and unless people have been in that situation, you have no idea how hard it is for them to do. No parent really wants to see their own child behind bars...

mate you for real?
if this ANIMAL was in my family, he would want to be behind bars, that is absolutely no way to treat your mother!
I dont understand how family's liek this even function?!?!

gtfpv · 26-04-2005, 12:31 AM

that might be the case but when i was a child my father hit my mother causing a grazed knee, she rang the police they came out and the police pressed charges against my father against my mothers wishes. i was 15 the police explained to me that they had the right to press charges due to evident assault . have times changed. in this instance the victim had no say. my dad spent the night in a cell. mum had to get a solicitor to get the charges dropped.

sfr rob · 26-04-2005, 12:41 AM

damn, that would suck.
I guess i am one of the lucky ones that hasnt grown up in a broken home, THANK GOD!
i hear too much crap about some family's and its not cool.

peace
rob

26-04-2005, 12:44 AM

I am not at all saying that I condone this behaviour at all, as I don't. I have worked in a womens refuge as a support worker and mostly the mothers do back down when it comes to charging their children with assault...

gtfpv · 26-04-2005, 12:49 AM

but in my case 20years ago the police done the right thing and had the power to do so. nowadays they would just leave powerless to do anything.

26-04-2005, 12:52 AM

But also 20 years ago the coppers could give the 'troubled kids' a good swift kick in tha backside with their size 12 boots and get away with it, with the parents consent. Can't do that now...

gtfpv · 26-04-2005, 12:57 AM

yeah your right my best mate left the police force because of people calling him an fn pig knowing that he was poerless to do anything about it , he had to use curtious conduct,to those remarks otherwise he would be in trouble which brings us back to the forum subject.

26-04-2005, 01:05 AM

Yeah, sorry I got us off track there...

gtfpv · 26-04-2005, 01:08 AM

thats ok nanna i'm off to bed goodnight!!!!!

banarcus · 26-04-2005, 09:49 AM

3 words: telephone interim order. simple

Amber · 26-04-2005, 01:48 PM

From my observations, people in general don't hold the same respect for the law/police the way they used to.

Growing up, I was absolutely terrified of the cops. They meant business, and were there to save you should you need it.

I mean, have a look at the way people talk to the cops on Blue Heelers. I know its fictional, but what kind of morals is it teaching our kids about the law?

To this day, I hold great respect for the force. If a copper was to ever pull me over, I would absolutely crap my dacks. You forget for a second that they are real people just doing their jobs.

I guess its the way we're raised.

My kids are being raised knowing that you can go to the cops for anything. They will always help you should you need it, they aren't out just to 'get you' and **** you off. They aren't poeple to be afraid of.

Steffo · 26-04-2005, 02:12 PM

If the police here were like the police are in Russia, for example, I don't think there would ever be a riot again. I remember watching the riots in Redfern here in Sydney on TV, police were standing there, doing absolutely nothing, behind crappy plastic shields, then one officer copped it in the head with a brick and collapsed, still nothing done by the police.

Russian police, for example, would've beaten the living shit out of everyone there, arrested them, and kicked their butts some more on the way to the lock up. If they tried that here, a bunch of goody goody pooftas would cry horror, and all the officers would end up going to jail, not the real ones who deserve it.

gtfpv · 26-04-2005, 03:29 PM

Blaaahahahahahahaha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well Said Dude . I Like It...

Twisted · 26-04-2005, 04:00 PM

I have an uncle in jail for a disgusting crime. My Dad has 3 brothers and the one in jail is the youngest. Everyone in the family hates him for what he has done and wants nothing to do with him but Nan just cant seem to believe it or to take it all in. Its like she cant cope with the fact that her son did what he did. Her first reaction was that someone was making it up and the cops were out to get him. She just cant seem to understand.

There is also a lady at mums work who's husband beats her within and inch of life all the time. He has threatened other ladies at work when they have called to check on her if she doesnt come in but the lady herself wont do anything about it. She turns around to mum and the others and says that he apologised and he wont do it again. While she says this she is standing there with a black eye, broken nose and broken arm. She takes a beating atleast once a week but wont do anything/is too stupid to do anything about it. If she doesnt have the drive to improve her own situation why should anyone else bother to act on her behalf. The thing that disgusts me most is that this lady has 3 sons, all over 23, who live at home and turn a blind eye to what their father does. If my mum hit my dad i reckon id hit him before he could finish the swing. No way could I watch that. This lady has come to work before coughing up blood from broken ribs and internal bleeding and wont let anyone call the police or take her to the hospital. If she is stupid enough to stay and believe when he says he didnt mean it after she has been going through the same thing for 20odd years of marriage then who can help her?

28-04-2005, 11:51 PM

My niece put up with getting flogged by her (ex) husband for too many years, that we didn't know about.. Broken nose, ribs, fractures, burns, etc. She was always 'going to leave' when the five kids were 'old enough'?

Then her brother found out and paid 'hubby' a little visit. Amazing what happens when a 6ft4 amazon pumbles a woman hitting coward. Hence the 'ex'...

MITCHAY · 29-04-2005, 12:10 AM

i know a chick who gets beaten up by her boyfriend all the time. drop kicks her, spits on her, head butts her and what ever else. if i ever happen to meet this woman beater i would do the same to him. you should never hit a chick no matter what unless they are huge and trying to kill you. whats worse is she loves him. i just dont get it. how can chicks call that love. you dont kick the shit out of someone you love. anyways i just dont think there is a way to help someone who doesnt want to be helped.

The MaDDeSTMaN · 29-04-2005, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

whats worse is she loves him. i just dont get it. how can chicks call that love. you dont kick the shit out of someone you love.

*puts on shrink hat*
It is my understanding that it is for a variety of reasons. Some of which could be:

Fear of being alone,
Mistaking lust and/or attraction on some level for love,
The "abuse cycle" (growing up in a house where that sort of thing happened all the time, so they consider it normal and expect it in their lives),
Fear of what that person might do if the relationship was to end (some guys have the attitude of "If I can't have you, no-one can"),
A belief (however wrong it may appear to anyone and everyone else) that they deserve it,
A belief that nobody else would be interested in them,

That is by no means a complete list, just what I thought of within a few minutes.

I think psychology is very interesting, makes you gain an understanding of why people think the way they do.

*takes off shrink hat*

XA-Coupe · 30-04-2005, 10:35 AM

I can tell you that domestic violence is the most frustrating part of the job. Unfortunately in Vic you can't get an interim order over the phone but what they can do is get an interim order against the complainants wishes. This entitles the cops to drag them off and if they continue to break the order, lock them up. The unfortunate part is that the order lasts only until the next available court hearing. If that's the same day and the complainant doesn't turn up ... it's void.
Going to the same place night after night to the same place for the same person who is too chicken to fight a man who will give them a flogging gets a bit boring, especially when the victim won't co operate.
Persoanally, there is no excuse for taking it. I DGAF about misplaced love or that sort of crap. There are plenty of shelters and such to help people when they need. All they have to do is make the move.
In 3 1/2 years I didn't get one guy rise to my provoking ... showing what absolute gutless pieces of shit they are. I only saw ONE case where we were called and it was the first time it happened ( she actually fought back and gave him a fair pounding !! ) and she carried on with the charges and never went back to him. That's out of hundreds.