Which E series model?

ILLaViTaR · 24-03-2007, 02:32 PM

I'm only 17 so I need max fuel economy and need to be able to tow a boat.

My dad has an ED that's never failed us once so that's why I love the E series so much.

But he says the EA's were faulty crap cars same with the EB.

he only says EB II and above were the good cars.

Why is this?

mcflux · 24-03-2007, 02:51 PM

EBII onwards had the 4.0 six. I'd say he thinks the 3.9 is crap (which was in EA-EB1) and believes in generalisations such as what you mentioned above.

Each successive model was more refined than the last, and this is generally the case with all cars sold on the market.

Having said that, don't let that put you off buying an EA, you should see some of the EAs here, they're great!

ILLaViTaR · 24-03-2007, 03:11 PM

so the 3.9 don't have a greater chance of breaking down compared to the 4.0

sammi anderson · 24-03-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

so the 3.9 don't have a greater chance of breaking down compared to the 4.0

hey mate... any car will break down wether its an eb or one of the newer models, as long as you keep things up to scratch and dont flogg the crap out of a car you will have less problems (touch wood) also doesnt hurt to pay the extra $ and get the RACV or what ever it is where you live to do a full once over of the car you are gonna purchase.
Hope this helps
Sammi

ILLaViTaR · 24-03-2007, 03:22 PM

Thanks mate.

I know nothing about cars basically and I wanna know how to service them.

Is there a place online where I can learn what engine parts do what?

mcflux · 24-03-2007, 03:26 PM

Buying a manual would help you with learning about the ins & outs of your car ;)

Two off the top of my head are:

Max Ellery
Gregory's

ILLaViTaR · 24-03-2007, 03:40 PM

Thanks i'll check it out.

Dad said he heard there were over 70 fault fixes between the EB and EBII and around 30 from the EBII to the ED.

where any of those 70 major or is there a list of them I could find?

Krytox · 24-03-2007, 04:17 PM

ya old man knows!
ask him.

Everything gets superseded, judging cars is like crossing the road.. you may/may not get hit.

ILLaViTaR · 25-03-2007, 02:37 AM

hmm i'll try to get an ED and above then

mcflux · 25-03-2007, 08:37 AM

Make sure to look left and right before making your purchase :P

futura97 · 25-03-2007, 08:29 PM

if your after fuel efficiency, then go ef/el

namecrap · 25-03-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by futura97

if your after fuel efficiency, then go ef/el

if your after fuel efficiency dont by a falcon buy a corolla.

there is no difference in economy between an EB and EF..

the EF is a great car - good performance, nice interior, airbag, bbm motor, quite thermofans, abs, cool cruise control.

EA is rubbish - oil leaks galore, EB2/ED very good as well

davonafairlane · 26-03-2007, 10:56 AM

fairlane mpfi 3.9 likes petrol alot. If your thinking economy 4get it. 440km for 76 litres of petrol. (round town) 550-600 highway for the same 76 litres. Expensive

TUF.EB · 26-03-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by namecrap

if your after fuel efficiency dont by a falcon buy a corolla.

there is no difference in economy between an EB and EF..

the EF is a great car - good performance, nice interior, airbag, bbm motor, quite thermofans, abs, cool cruise control.

EA is rubbish - oil leaks galore, EB2/ED very good as well

Or buy a falcon and put it on LPG. Government gives you a 2k rebate, so if your chasing economy, and still want to drive a falcon, why wouldnt you put it on LPG?

You will lack in power but you will get way better milage, and still be able to tow a boat.

EL_Fairmont · 26-03-2007, 06:36 PM

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I'm only 17 so I need max fuel economy and need to be able to tow a boat.

If you want Torque and very, very good fuel economy buy a VR.

EA's were crap. EB 2, were refined. ED's are good... buy an EF if you can they were a lot smoother. ... even better and if the $$ allow for it, buy an EL < the model that fixed the handling.

EB4LTR · 26-03-2007, 06:47 PM

3.9 is a 4.0 there is no diffence in a 3.9 to a 4.0 .. they are the same motor they are the same cubic inch i have no idea why ford class them as a 3.9 ..looking in a nasons book or acl and permaseal book .. everything is is the same on a 3.9 and 4.0 .. only diff is the exh gasket to cat .. ea 1 were crap cause they used cork gaskets (spits on a bit of cork nearby ) :P .. but in saying this i know an ea 1 that is the best car . never failed no oil leaks .. well maintained .. if you maintain a car well there you are not going to have any drama's period .. if its not ****** then dont fix it .. :P

old_mate · 26-03-2007, 07:14 PM

3.9 and 4.0L had different combustion chamber shapes. I think thats the difference.

EA shells weren't as stiff as the later ones, they are old now and buying a EB/ED means only a few more $$$ if any at all.

EB4LTR · 26-03-2007, 07:21 PM

but there interchangeable .. see why couldnt eveything be like an ea eb ed ... all interchangeable ... but no ... someone had to go and make life harder so relisticly there is no diffence .. if u were to rebuild an ea motor from ground up , theres no difference cause ud put eb ed pistons in .. :P

old_mate · 26-03-2007, 07:27 PM

pfft why bother

grind the ribs of an AU sump and be happier.

EB4LTR · 26-03-2007, 07:42 PM

stuff that .. if u want the sump put the motor in

.. dont half *** the job :P

krisisdog · 26-03-2007, 08:57 PM

VR Commodore?? Are you serious?
EF Falcon produces 157 kW from it’s straight six, while the VR only gave out 130 kW from it’s 3.8L V6.
EF = 357Nm @ 3000rpm versus the VR’s 295Nm @ 3200rpm...... Fuel is about the same.

Go for the EF if your budget can stretch that far, you wont regret it.

BaYa · 26-03-2007, 08:57 PM

well im no expert but anycar u buy may have its faults and will break down because no car is perfect the early e Series are starting to age a lil ( no offence to E-series drivers )and have a few k's on them but there still a great 1st car and if u want it to be cheaper buy another wreck on gas and rip out the system and put it in the one u get. plus if u ever need a part for an e Series browse the forums or goto a wreckers. all i can say is ive had mine for almost 2yrs now had some small issues but manged to sort them. ive had fun in my eb and i like the look, much better than a crummiedoor and i'd recomend an e series to anyone who wants a first car

old_mate · 26-03-2007, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by EB4LTR

stuff that .. if u want the sump put the motor in

.. dont half *** the job :P

ermmm...thats what i implied.

futura97 · 26-03-2007, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EL_Fairmont

If you want Torque and very, very good fuel economy buy a VR.

Are you on drugs?? Commodores are crap for towing. Not only is the engine crap for towing, but so is the suspension.

As mentioned above, the vr's have crap torque compared to the ef/el's. In fact, they are worse than the old xf efi's!

If you want to tow, stay away from commodores!

sphell · 26-03-2007, 11:39 PM

You haven't specified how much you want to spend.....if your budget allows for it, get an AU or BA XT. They are getting pretty cheap now. The both models are more fuel efficient than E-series.

I had a BA and had no problems with it, used to jump in and drive and it was perfect. Now I'm back in an E-series (EF) and it's back to fixing something every week. By the way, my BA had 50,000 MORE km's than the EF when I sold it.

EL_Fairmont · 27-03-2007, 02:54 AM

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VR Commodore?? Are you serious?
EF Falcon produces 157 kW from it’s straight six, while the VR only gave out 130 kW from it’s 3.8L V6.
EF = 357Nm @ 3000rpm versus the VR’s 295Nm @ 3200rpm...... Fuel is about the same.

You fail to mention the VR's a lot lighter and has better Accleration times than the EF. Granted, EF's might be good for towing... but any E series is a pig on petrol compared to a Commodore. Vr's could get under 12/100. In reality, E series struggle to get less than 14/100.

futura97 · 27-03-2007, 09:02 AM

i disagree mate - with the higher torque of the ef/el compared to vr, it becomes more fuel efficient.

I once towed a boat (about 1600kgs) in my el for 300ks and used little under half a tank. My brother was towing a trailer(about 900kgs) in his vt and same distance he used a full tank!

EB4LTR · 27-03-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by old_mate

ermmm...thats what i implied.

relax man .. im just playin .

EB4LTR · 27-03-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by EL_Fairmont

You fail to mention the VR's a lot lighter and has better Accleration times than the EF. Granted, EF's might be good for towing... but any E series is a pig on petrol compared to a Commodore. Vr's could get under 12/100. In reality, E series struggle to get less than 14/100.

from sunbury to LAL LAL just the other side of ballan .. in a vr bombadoor towing a 1400 kg there and just the trailor back..used just under a full tank ... but eb 93 .. 1600 kg there and jsut the trailor back ... just under 3/4 of a tank ... i dont think its that car that goes through the fuel its how you drive them with the weight on it .. i mean its not the flatest run to LAL LAL .. vr's maybe alot lighter but doesnt really mena that they are going to get better economy .. honestly , please correct me if im wrong here .. but i think no matter what car you get or how u drive with a trailor or with out its going through more or less petrol then other cars/models

RG · 27-03-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by EL_Fairmont

You fail to mention the VR's a lot lighter and has better Accleration times than the EF. Granted, EF's might be good for towing... but any E series is a pig on petrol compared to a Commodore. Vr's could get under 12/100. In reality, E series struggle to get less than 14/100.

My step dad had a VR and he stuggled to get anywhere near 12l/100k. My EL on the other hand was good for 11.5 city/country and around 8l/100k out on the highway.