Random thoughts - XF's

BLSTIC · 11-04-2007, 06:16 PM

Hi people, I just had some random thoughts regarding the XF's...

My father had an EFI Auto XF and it drove pretty well, being comfortable on corrugations and rough roads, and with not much body roll (when we has the 12 slotters on it anyway) going on an enthusiastic drive up our local range.

The only real problems were the gearbox (auto) and the amount of power (120kw, not really enough for my liking)

I guess my question is - have any of you actually driven an XF equipped with a T5 and 4.0 OHC? My guess is it would be faster than most standard E-series cars, with less weight and all...

Reckon it would be worth doing?

cya
Ben

webby_191189 · 11-04-2007, 07:09 PM

It would be pretty cool. OPen up a the bonnet and see the BBM manifold. You might be able to get an au engine in there who know's. Should try the X series a few of those guys would know a bit more bout it

nos_james · 11-04-2007, 07:23 PM

yeh its been done quite a bit check out www.xfalcon.com just watch what ya say seems someone askes about it every week lol but yeh it can be done and quite easaly same as putting e series diffs in.

Allen · 11-04-2007, 07:31 PM

Easier to bolt in a 5.0 windsor... as XE V8 engine mounts will be able to be used.

http://www.trueblueford.com/CliffsXF_V8.html

Rollin · 11-04-2007, 07:36 PM

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I've never driven it, don't know the guy that owns it, and stole the images from performance forums, it has nothing to do with E-series, so it pretty much OT, but I LOVE IT AND WANTED TO SHARE!!!

private9 · 11-04-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rollin

I've never driven it, don't know the guy that owns it, and stole the images from performance forums, it has nothing to do with E-series, so it pretty much OT, but I LOVE IT AND WANTED TO SHARE!!!

That thing is nuts! I want it!

nos_james · 11-04-2007, 07:43 PM

yeh iv got a bit of a soft spot for the old xfs but i think the windsor will hit the heater pipes in an xf and it would add lots of weight the 4liter will go in with xg mounts i beleve if not a mix of xf and ea mounts would work as the blocks are very similer.

apolloxbgt · 11-04-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by webby_191189

It would be pretty cool. OPen up a the bonnet and see the BBM manifold. You might be able to get an au engine in there who know's. Should try the X series a few of those guys would know a bit more bout it

It gets asked on here a fair bit too,heres a current one,do a search and heaps will come up.
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...=1#post1399411

apolloxbgt · 11-04-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nos_james

yeh iv got a bit of a soft spot for the old xfs but i think the windsor will hit the heater pipes in an xf and it would add lots of weight the 4liter will go in with xg mounts i beleve if not a mix of xf and ea mounts would work as the blocks are very similer.

Xg mounts work,xg's a preety much just an xf with a 4.0l.

The windsor should clear the heater pipes,it's the clevo that hit's.

nos_james · 11-04-2007, 07:47 PM

ah yeh wasent 100% on the heater pipes but hey i still think that the 4l with some work will be a far more streetable car as the extra weight in the front of my 351 xd realy kills the balance of the car compared to my old xf with the 250crossflow

Aaron_EF8 · 11-04-2007, 08:09 PM

Don't forget a 5.0 windsor with alloy heads weighs less than a 4.0, and it can be mounted further back in the engine bay.

I've got a bit of a soft spot for XE-XF's too. Always wanted to put an AU motor in my old XF, then I bought the EF and never drove the XF again lol. XF S-pack dash is so funky :P

nos_james · 11-04-2007, 08:39 PM

yeh but then you have to look at bang for buck with the motors wich the 4l wins with the power that can be made cheaply

Serial_Fool · 11-04-2007, 11:47 PM

I always liked the lines of the XF it was like a transition model between the old X series and the new E series.

I guess if i wanted i could put my MPI 3.9 into one of the defected XF's at the farm. But i'm trying to sell that.

Anyone know if a XF 3 speed auto would fit up to an EA engine?

Allen · 11-04-2007, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Serial_Fool

Anyone know if a XF 3 speed auto would fit up to an EA engine?

The EA series 1, had the old XF 3 speed in it anyway... so you would just use a bellhousing and other bits and pieces from a 3 speed EA.

Serial_Fool · 11-04-2007, 11:58 PM

Seems pretty easy, XFs and EAs are dirt cheap too. I guess loom would have to be installed as well. Nothing that someone that knows a bit from both models can't do.

[Tonko] · 12-04-2007, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rollin

I've never driven it, don't know the guy that owns it, and stole the images from performance forums, it has nothing to do with E-series, so it pretty much OT, but I LOVE IT AND WANTED TO SHARE!!!

I
HAVE
WOOD
That is hot! MR0250 used to be my favourite XF, not now!

Mickus · 12-04-2007, 02:33 AM

The X-series boys would be loving this :P

EFFalcon · 12-04-2007, 08:17 AM

the above Blue car is on Fordmods too.

mcflux · 12-04-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rollin

I've never driven it, don't know the guy that owns it, and stole the images from performance forums, it has nothing to do with E-series, so it pretty much OT, but I LOVE IT AND WANTED TO SHARE!!!

HOLY FAP!

Manjam eruption is iminent...

Psycho Chicken · 12-04-2007, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollin

I've never driven it, don't know the guy that owns it, and stole the images from performance forums, it has nothing to do with E-series, so it pretty much OT, but I LOVE IT AND WANTED TO SHARE!!!

His XE is better!

BLSTIC · 12-04-2007, 06:21 PM

Hmm so I forgot about the whole XG thing...

So if I were to acquire an (insert uber-cool engine managament computer here), the conversion would be pretty straightforward...

cya
Ben

Serial_Fool · 12-04-2007, 06:41 PM

I've got pretty much everything needed for what you are contimplating. PM me if you are interested.

walker · 12-04-2007, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollin

I've never driven it, don't know the guy that owns it, and stole the images from performance forums, it has nothing to do with E-series, so it pretty much OT, but I LOVE IT AND WANTED TO SHARE!!!

I'm sharing the love with ya

frd_crzer · 12-04-2007, 09:02 PM

i wonder if u turbo a xf with the alloy head would it stuff it up from the heat or what

Psycho Chicken · 12-04-2007, 11:50 PM

What?

sphell · 12-04-2007, 11:57 PM

Just buy an XG. I wouldn't bother doing that with an XF. They had the WORST fit and finish of all the Falcons IMO. I'd rather an XE or XD.....they look tougher, you could slap a V8 in and they don't have any of those crap fitting door moulds or dash board.

LUXO_8 · 13-04-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by frd_crzer

i wonder if u turbo a xf with the alloy head would it stuff it up from the heat or what

yep, definatley..

ford made a whole new type of alloy for the BA XR6T's head

BLSTIC · 13-04-2007, 08:37 PM

yeah ok...

The Turbo XE prototypes went ok during durability testing. Out of the 15 or so cars thrashed (properly) only one failed. Thermostat jammed shut, nothing to do with the turbo.

And they made 160kw on 4psi, and 270 odd on 15 (engine dyno, seeing what the turbo can handle).

I reckon the alloy head should be fine for boost...

Serial_Fool · 13-04-2007, 11:25 PM

They should of replaced the cleveland in the XEs with a turbo i6 in 1983. And by looking at some of the specs above it wouldn't of been a bad weapon. I wonder why it never got the green light?

Imagine a turbo charged XF falcon running around Bathurst from 1985 to 1988! More appeal than mustangs/ sierras of that era.

Rollin · 14-04-2007, 03:14 AM

Not to mention the track record and R&D that would have been continuing to this day, and the assiciated street cred - the turbo 6 would have PWND anything holden could have coughed up, with better fuel economy as well.

Would have been massive VL/XF rivalry, then gm maybe would have tried harder to keep the 3L instead of "upgrading" *cough* to the 3.8....