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Some forum members asked me a while back to keep them informed of updates in this area. Given the fact that this proposal has far reaching ramifications nationally, I thought it would be appropriate to post it here in an open forum.
First, the 'for' argument: http://www.councilreferendum.com.au/ Quote:
http://urbantaskforce.com.au/viewmedia.php?id=552 Quote:
I will update this thread at a later date (in a week, month whatever) when the referendum is announced.
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There are too many levels of govco as it is, do we really need to legitimise their existence (as in local government)???
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Just to give a heads up.
This is a subject that is important to many Australians BUT should it get skewed into a party political debate or a slanging match it will be locked and those who caused it will have the errors of their ways explained to them. |
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Just so everyone is clear on the subject, the referendum will not be considering whether we need local government or not. Regardless of whether the referendum succeeds or fails, local government will still exist.
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I do however think that those against are only pushing a childish agenda:
The Federal Government shouldn’t be advancing plans to “recognise” local councils in the Australian Constitution while those same councils are busily contributing to the nation’s housing undersupply, according to the Urban Taskforce. If this is the power that local council has already, recognising it in the constitution will only make things worse. Having said that, I do support local council fighting development and keeping parks and gardens as they are. Interestingly, the Urban Taskforce is only concerned with re-developing for their own profit under the guise of 'housing shortfall' |
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A more relevant argument, in my opinion, is retaining the State's ability to intervene in local government affairs when things go pear shaped. Local government has repeatedly demonstrated that it not always can be trusted with more responsibility and power. I need not remind people from NSW about the Wollongong City Council saga.
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what we need is to get rid of the queen as our head of state and make the governor general the head of state call them what you will it does not matter. but i hate the fact that the head of state is a foreign national.
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Warning for all, keep it on topic.
This is a discussion about local government, not a republican/monarchy debate and such a debate will not be allowed as it is breach of AFF T&C's as given below. Quote:
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Funny a while ago on this forum in another thread i tried to explain why 3 levels of government was a bad idea and was shouted down with leftist and commie remarks.....
Most of Europe has only two levels of government ... regional councils and the federal side of things. I think it was back in 1989 (?) that a referendum was held to change the constitution to recognise local councils. It failed dismally.... The abolition of the state government and the introduction of large regional councils/ governance would be a better idea then the current 3 levels of stupidity.
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I feel we only need 2 tiers of government federal and local amalgamate some councils and do away with state government
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Are'nt we one of the most over governed countries in the world ?
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It failed before and it will fail again joe public does not want any more legitimate governing and I dont think state governments would want to share power with local govco.
With all that has happened in politics of late it would suprise me if any government would ask the public ...do you want more of the same from someone else? ![]()
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Australia is a Federation of States. The whole Australian Constitution would have to be dissolved, to have just Federal and Local Regional Government. Last edited by flappist; 09-08-2011 at 08:34 PM. Reason: edited by accident, clicked wrong button :) |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITUSZ6LRHrk
"It's the constitution"
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Local council is where democracy takes place. Knowing some people in our local council I can say they are some of the hardest working and committed people I know, and I have seen their frustration because of under funding. The average Aussie has no idea of what goes on behind the scenes.
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There certainly isnt any democracy in action here in Townsville
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I have been involved with a local planning issue and was surprised at what is involved. |
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Many people do not know what happens behind the scenes. Many people cannot (or will not) appreciate the legislative environment that leads to Council decisions because all they want is things their way, regardless of what the law says. Most people would be surprised what their local Council does and how much of their daily lives are influenced by them.
That said, Councils are their own worst enemy sometimes and make some appalling decisions and employ some of the most incompetent (and sometimes corrupt) people in existence. I have come across enough of them to form an army. I have been involved with local government for the past 10 years at both a local and state level (including working for local government in the UK) and I can sure tell you some horror stories. But my personal opinion is that this referendum must fail.
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Hell no, my local council are the biggest pack of morons, regardless of who is working there.
Ever since they took away the divisions from within the councils (example, each town had a budget) we've all gone down the gurgler except where the council office is and one certain town. The grass in our shire only gets cut twice a year, common for it to grow 6 feet plus on the side of the road. The main highway out of my town barely ever gets fixed anymore, up until last year many people damaged cars on the crappy road. We where given a couple of million dollars for a new sporting complex from the federal goverment in my town, instead the council spends all the money elsewhere, then complains they didn't get enough money. That being said, I wouldn't mind a job at the council, I want to go around looking at park benches and drains all day long for good money ![]() |
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In some big businesses they changed the organisational structure to be more streamlined and increase efficiency (mainly due to less bureaucracy and more individual accountability for decisions)...I don't see why this kind of org structure should be any different... ![]()
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council here rarely holds open meetings... its 90% of the time closed doors and when it is open it meets for 20mins and its all over. No one in the gallery get a word in. Not to mention is massive debt ($400Mill) which bankrupt soon... its 120% rate rise in 4yrs. Just to name a few...
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